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Old 01-29-2013, 12:15 AM   #4486
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Keeping it in mind that even if someone were charged, they would be presumed innocent.

The thread seems to be drifting off topic. Perhaps we can wait for official comment.
haha, aren't you the one that raised the issue of criminal charges? Yes, of course he would be presumed innocent, at least in the US legal system...no clue in South Africa.

edit: In the South African Constitution, section 35(3)(h) of the Bill of Rights states: "Every accused person has a right to a fair trial, which includes the right to be presumed innocent, to remain silent, and not to testify during the proceedings."

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Old 01-29-2013, 12:23 AM   #4487
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Culpable Homicide?
South Africa
Culpable Homicide has been defined simply[3] as "the unlawful negligent killing of a human being".
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:29 AM   #4488
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haha, aren't you the one that raised the issue of criminal charges? Yes, of course he would be presumed innocent, at least in the US legal system...no clue in South Africa.

edit: In the South African Constitution, section 35(3)(h) of the Bill of Rights states: "Every accused person has a right to a fair trial, which includes the right to be presumed innocent, to remain silent, and not to testify during the proceedings."
Sorry, quoted you not to take you to task but to make a general point. Apologies if it looked otherwise.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:49 AM   #4489
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Sorry, quoted you not to take you to task but to make a general point. Apologies if it looked otherwise.
No worries....can't stop thinking and wondering about this tragedy...
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:24 AM   #4490
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Curious as to the location of the crash, I looked up what was described in this article: http://www.georgeherald.com/news.aspx?id=43916

I believe it is quite close to here:

http://goo.gl/maps/zKEAs

RIP Kevin Ash

updated location based on this info. http://www.oudtshoorncourant.com/new...ed-after-death

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Old 01-29-2013, 02:59 AM   #4491
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I'd say Ash case deserves its own thread.
Both because of its importance and not to spoil this thread.

BTW I doubt the investigation is over, but even then, it has been said that the family doesn't want the details release publicly at this time.

I also doubt BMW themselves don't want this clear. It's bad publicity ESPECIALLY with the (minute) possibility that the new bike is at fault.

As for the reviews published. With the exception of Costa's own maybe (very detailed with 2 days on the bike), most are really limited. Probably because the actual tests were cut in half by the disaster. I find most, if not all the reviews rather positive, but the shadow of Kevin's death is unavoidable (and understandable of course).

The only NEGATIVE thing that has been pointed (esp. by Costa), was the shake of the front fork in some successive bumps. I think the thinner front fork has a role on this.
I don't like that, I like everything else.

If Greece wasn't in crisis I would probably have arranged to trade mine already.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:36 AM   #4492
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It's bad publicity ESPECIALLY with the (minute) possibility that the new bike is at fault.

The only NEGATIVE thing that has been pointed (esp. by Costa), was the shake of the front fork in some successive bumps. I think the thinner front fork has a role on this.
I don't like that, I like everything else.

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Given that the crash took place on a gravel road, that the investigation is continuing nearly a week after the accidents, and that BMW clammed up from the get-go suggests this may not be such a minute possibility.

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The only hiccup in the bikeís handling is a possible tendency to shake its head while standing on the footpegs over rough terrain. On a couple of occasions while standing, hitting a succession of sharp bumps causes the fork to shake just a bit. It isnít alarming; itís just that I donít remember the old bike having any tendency to do this. A couple of the U.S. journos also noted this.
On a dual purpose bike this is not a minor flaw imho, especially given that for many buyers gunning it down a gravel road will be the closest they come to adv riding.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:32 AM   #4493
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We'll have to wait and see.
I think they shouldn't thin the front forks.
That said, maybe some fine tuning on the front ESA solves this.

On another subject... Does anybody know
(a) What did they miss by canceling the remainder?
(b) Did they actually cancel or just postponed?
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:49 AM   #4494
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Videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B44CyeOJkjk

these two in French (?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upky_ccpOkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2lB0SRnBoo

(anybody knows what they say?)
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:51 AM   #4495
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Culpable Homicide has been defined simply[3] as "the unlawful negligent killing of a human being".
I remember that when Ayrton Senna was killed at the F1 in Italy he was pronounced dead a few hours after the race and several folks commented that was convenient because if he had died during the race the authorities would have been obligated to stop the race and arrest the track managers as part of their investigations.

Despite some of the rhetoric in the USA about us being over regulated and attorneys running amuck, etc. the reality is that many nations take vehicular and other homicide more seriously than we do.




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Old 01-29-2013, 06:16 AM   #4496
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these two in French (?)
Ne / Yes / Oui

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Ne / Yes / Oui
Nothing that wasn't already said here.

German/Italian or English test rides will be better as usual, I'm afraid. Sorry
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:24 AM   #4497
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first video :
he says an important thing as we see so many GS on the side... :

"the protections are good when you fall with it" when he falled himself
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:33 AM   #4498
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Thanks I was curious what he said after that "incident". Note also that the stick-out thing (the new cover) doesn't seem to get touched.

Ah, also let me be the first to request a SCAN of the 1200GS article that comes out tomorrow with MCN.
(or any other article for that matter)
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:09 AM   #4499
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Thanks, that is a neat video - the new GS looks so accurate through those long, flowing turns.



For the first time, I have some feeling for what the new bike might be like.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:50 AM   #4500
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Oh, god. Say anything bad at all and it's picked to pieces like the bike is a piece of sh*t. Love the bike and say nothing bad, obviously they're not telling us something, so we cant trust any reviews. What is wrong with this place?
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