The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[RichBMW]

Originally Posted by NLS

Akra all the way.
Will replace extra lights passive safety with extra sound passive safety. :)
Lighter, cooler looking too.
Maybe a couple of HP in there also.

I think that the more light, the better, but they seem kind of pointless if you can't run them when you want to. I'll have a think over the next few days, I guess it depends if they arrive in time for the bike delivery. If they don't then I'll save some more money and go for the Akro instead.

[twinrider]

Originally Posted by y2blade

Great post, very entertaining.

Thanks for reposting it in its entirety!

[slojon]

I saw the new GS in the flesh at the Supers @ Phillip Island last week and to tell you the truth, its UGLY and I own an 09 GSA.
It is as heavy as my GSA, almost, and it just does not appeal at all. It is fitted with so many gadgets that I wonder about what its function really is. It seems that it is not meant to be a dual sport any more. It looks to be a tourer and as such what is the point of the 19 inch front. It would be a better street bike with a 17 incher.

[NLS]

Originally Posted by y2blade

Great post, very entertaining.

What was not entertaining, was you posting it all over again.

[NLS]

Originally Posted by slojon

I saw the new GS in the flesh at the Supers @ Phillip Island last week and to tell you the truth, its UGLY and I own an 09 GSA.
It is as heavy as my GSA, almost, and it just does not appeal at all. It is fitted with so many gadgets that I wonder about what its function really is. It seems that it is not meant to be a dual sport any more. It looks to be a tourer and as such what is the point of the 19 inch front. It would be a better street bike with a 17 incher.

Well I am glad you find your current bike looking better than the newer version. Will be good for your pocket. Beauty is subjective.

But for the rest... You haven't really followed the updates, what is actually new etc. right?
It is far from being as heavy as your GSA. It's very few kg more than the GS but its CoG is better and general geometry is better, so everybody that has riden it found it to "feel the same or lighter".
Most gadgets are optional.
It is a great tourer yes. It is also better enduro than the last model (partially BECAUSE of the optional gadgets mind you).
Now... an enduro discussion about the "plain" GS coming from a GSA owner... well... doesn't sound very objective. Your GSA is definitely worse off-road than a GS (with the same rider *), let alone the new GS which is better anyway.
(* let's not start the "it's the rider not the machine" discussion)

[twinrider]

Originally Posted by NLS

It is also better enduro than the last model (partially BECAUSE of the optional gadgets mind you).

The late Kevin Ash and a few other journos might beg to disagree.

[NLS]

Originally Posted by twinrider

The late Kevin Ash and a few other journos might beg to disagree.

Now I won't answer this, but without knowing what happened (you and me both), this can be read very wrong.
I would be more careful for such sensitive matters.

[Deans BMW]

Originally Posted by twinrider

The late Kevin Ash and a few other journos might beg to disagree.

Pure stupid with out facts speculation on your part.

[y2blade]

Originally Posted by twinrider

Thanks for reposting it in its entirety!

Originally Posted by NLS

What was not entertaining, was you posting it all over again.

Sorry

[GB]

Bad netiquette.. i nuked your post re-quoting all those pics.

[twinrider]

Originally Posted by NLS

Now I won't answer this, but without knowing what happened (you and me both), this can be read very wrong.
I would be more careful for such sensitive matters.

Seems pretty black and white to me. Famous motorcycle journalist known for his enthusiasm yet still conservative crashes on gravel. BMW builds a wall of silence around the accident that has remained since then... Other journalists reporting offroad stability problems. Now a fork part recall. The math adds up in the absence of BMW simply being straightforward with the Ash accident.

Personally I prefer non-watercooled bikes for hardcore offroading, that much less to damage, and the big GS has always handled very well G or S.

[twinrider]

Originally Posted by Deans BMW

Pure stupid with out facts speculation on your part.

The speculation is fed by BMW's silence over the matter and obvious censorship of all the journalists there. It's strange because whenever moto journalists die "in the line of duty" normally an accident report and related information are released pretty quickly.

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by twinrider

Seems pretty black and white to me. Famous motorcycle journalist known for his enthusiasm yet still conservative crashes on gravel. BMW builds a wall of silence around the accident that has remained since then... Other journalists reporting offroad stability problems. Now a fork part recall. The math adds up in the absence of BMW simply being straightforward with the Ash accident.

I think your tinfoil hat has slipped off.

[NLS]

Originally Posted by twinrider

Seems pretty black and white to me. Famous motorcycle journalist known for his enthusiasm yet still conservative crashes on gravel. BMW builds a wall of silence around the accident that has remained since then... Other journalists reporting offroad stability problems. Now a fork part recall. The math adds up in the absence of BMW simply being straightforward with the Ash accident.

Personally I prefer non-watercooled bikes for hardcore offroading, that much less to damage, and the big GS has always handled very well G or S.

As I said I won't comment on your line of thought, except what I already said. Other may step up.

Now for prefering non-wc for hardcore off-roading, must be limiting you rather much, because I think most pure enduros nowadays ARE wc (including competition... correct me if I am wrong).

Also if we take something in the loose category where big-GS is, KTM 950 and 990 seems to have no issue being wc off-road (and 990-on also fuel injection... another one fossil-riders seem to hate).

Returning to the GS, it is kind of funny what happens when a new generation comes up. I've seen this way too many times... R1200GS face-lift by R1200GS owners (and back), R1200GS by R1150GS owners (and back), R1150GS by R1100GS owners (and back) and so on... Until of course they do the trade.

Anyway to each his own.

[NLS]

Originally Posted by twinrider

The speculation is fed by BMW's silence over the matter and obvious censorship of all the journalists there. It's strange because whenever moto journalists die "in the line of duty" normally an accident report and related information are released pretty quickly.

Like when?
Feel free to send link, scan, whatever.

EDIT: I'd like an explanation on why Kevin's family "seems ok" with whatever info they have (which is probably way more than what we have and most probably NOT just by BMW Motorrad). Haven't heard of any dispute. I wouldn't go as far as explaining it with "grey" explanations. I leave this to you. :)