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Old 03-16-2013, 03:32 PM   #6706
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I do agree, however you can look at this two ways. Manual page 127 - "Replacing the LED headlight"
with LED headlights OE LED headlights can be completely replaced only.
Please contact a specialist service facility for this purpose, preferably an authorized
BMW Motorrad retailer"

How much?
The question is, how many will ever fail.

LED technology is pretty much what a current hi-end smartphone is to a 15 year old Nokia.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:56 PM   #6707
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San Diego BMW emailed, said a demo model came in, a very basic model. No idea when mine will come in. I declined invitation to come in and ride the demo...fearful for separation anxiety!!
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Old 03-16-2013, 04:51 PM   #6708
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The question is, how many will ever fail.

LED technology is pretty much what a current hi-end smartphone is to a 15 year old Nokia.
Good point, basically we're praying for the LED's to last. Had an used BMW once, the one with the first HID headlight generation, one side went dark one day and it cost ~$1500 to replace the complete unit, that's when I thought changing bulbs was not such a bad thing (these days you can change the ballast)...
Nevertheless, I'll definitely go with LED's.
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:09 PM   #6709
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Good point, basically we're praying for the LED's to last. Had an used BMW once, the one with the first HID headlight generation, one side went dark one day and it cost ~$1500 to replace the complete unit, that's when I thought changing bulbs was not such a bad thing (these days you can change the ballast)...
Nevertheless, I'll definitely go with LED's.
If anything I don't think it will ever be the actual LED that goes bad, but maybe the cooling fan or another part in the assembly. Just a guess
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:17 PM   #6710
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Unsprung Weight Difference between Spoke and Mag Wheels

I am waiting for my new GS with spoke wheels. It should be built around March 27th and then hopefully arrive in Dallas in late April.

A friend has told me to expect the spoke wheels to be quite a bit heavier than the mag wheels - enough to noticeably impact handling if you ride a spoke and then a mag wheel GS back to back. This observation is based on the prior year GS models but I don't know if the same would apply to the 2013 models.

My logic for the spoke wheels is that I plan to ride off-road a lot near my home in Colorado and I sometimes need to reduce air pressure on some of the rougher gravel or rock roads. I worry about bending a rim with a mag wheel and I am assuming that the spoke wheels will handle that type of terrain with less risk of damage.

This will be my fourth GS and I have owned both spoke and mag wheels before and have never thought about a possible handling difference. Does anyone have a any specific knowledge about the difference in unsprung weight on spoke vs and mag and how that would translate to handling differences on the 2013 GS?
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:44 PM   #6711
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That's a good point. It was included in what I had ordered in my original order, but it magically disappeared, I figured it just still isn't DOT (US Dept of Transportation) yet. I'm going to speak with the dealer to find out more.
It is DOT approved, it's just the first batch that were made were made without the LED because at that time it was not yet approved. The bike that arrived is not the one that you ordered. There are no ordered bikes being delivered yet. If it were me, I would wait for what you ordered.
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:46 PM   #6712
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Guys, you're all so smart here, why does the LED headlight looks like this, separated in 2 parts (upper/lower)?
Is there a technical reason for this? Curious, anybody??

It consists of two LED's....I think in person it will appear much brighter and look more like a single beam.
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:55 PM   #6713
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The bike makes far more noise then i expected. It's pretty loud that can get annoying. It's a good thing that i wear ear-plugs, so it's not a problem for me.
Wind noise, engine noise, or exhaust sound?
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Old 03-16-2013, 06:12 PM   #6714
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After two days off riding and 750 km i can attest for the more lively engine, excellent suspension and improved chassis. For me the stiffer chassis and the weight more low makes for far a better ride. The bike steers quicker/lighter and tracks it's line better.

I don't like the turbulence i get from the screen (i'm 1.80 meters). I tried three different helmets, two dual sport and one integral helmet. The turbulence is really bad with all three of them, the dual sport helmets the worst. The fairing does however a good job of keeping the wind from the body and arms/shoulders. It feels like the old bike with adventure screen and winglets, but with worse turbulence at the top. I need a different screen.

The bike makes far more noise then i expected. It's pretty loud that can get annoying. It's a good thing that i wear ear-plugs, so it's not a problem for me.

The seat is very good. It don't need to be replaced. I mention this because the seats of my last 1200 GS and 1200 RT needed to be replaced asap. This is not the case with the new bike.

Cruising at 120 km/h the bike vibrates more. So drive with another speed :o)

I mentioned here some small negatives i noticed because al the positives have been addressed time and again. I also am very excited about this new bike but wanted to share my other impressions also with you.

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I am waiting for my new GS with spoke wheels. It should be built around March 27th and then hopefully arrive in Dallas in late April.

A friend has told me to expect the spoke wheels to be quite a bit heavier than the mag wheels - enough to noticeably impact handling if you ride a spoke and then a mag wheel GS back to back. This observation is based on the prior year GS models but I don't know if the same would apply to the 2013 models.

My logic for the spoke wheels is that I plan to ride off-road a lot near my home in Colorado and I sometimes need to reduce air pressure on some of the rougher gravel or rock roads. I worry about bending a rim with a mag wheel and I am assuming that the spoke wheels will handle that type of terrain with less risk of damage.

This will be my fourth GS and I have owned both spoke and mag wheels before and have never thought about a possible handling difference. Does anyone have a any specific knowledge about the difference in unsprung weight on spoke vs and mag and how that would translate to handling differences on the 2013 GS?
Aside from weight, the cast wheel will be more rigid and will contribute to better road handling, theoretically. I'd suggest riding both and see if you can tell a difference. But one thing that is not disputed is that if you are going to do anything more than casual offroad, you should get spoked wheels. You could always get 2 sets...cast for road and a spoked set with knobbies for offroad.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:02 PM   #6715
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San Diego BMW emailed, said a demo model came in, a very basic model. No idea when mine will come in. I declined invitation to come in and ride the demo...fearful for separation anxiety!!
Don't be afraid. It is a very nice bike, but there's enough similarity to the older bike that I think you will make it home just fine despite how positively agricultural the old 1200 now feels.

As I sit here, the thing that crosses my mind is how similar the new GS engine characteristics match my KTM 950's engine in that the flywheel mass is low and the engine revs snappily. I couldn't tell for sure if the flywheel mass was truly lower on the new model and/or if the e-gas system was meant to overcome a heavy flywheel with exaggerated throttle movement. The only downside was that the throttle seemed overly sensitive. I suspect, however, one would get used to that trait after some time in the saddle.

While I didn't think it was possible, the new motor reminded me that there was more going on inside the cases than the older motors. Engine cutaway diagrams may hint to the fact, but there are more gear and chain noises that just don't exist in my older GS. The noises were startling at first, but amounted to nothing after a brief familiarization. I have always like the orchestrated symphony coming from either side of the R-Twins and this new engine just sounds more alive with hidden activity. The new exhaust sounds comes across in the same manner while on board the bike, but are positively sublime when one hears the bike from the side of the road. It's a wierd loud, but quiet kind of thing.

I definitely liked the air control of the new bike. The new windscreen and other fairings offer a fairly non-turbulent air pocket for the rider. The wind noise is even reduced somewhat compared to the smaller V-Stream windshield on my 2011 GS. The fact that the windshield height can be adjusted while riding is a new bonus.

The trans/clutch system does not feel like the old bikes. The clunky snick into first gear is just like any other bike with a wet clutch. It's a trait of wet clutch bikes I just don't like. And, the trans felt a little notchy, but the bike I rode only had 145 miles on it. My 1200 wasn't very good at first, either, and needed a lot of miles to smooth out. If the new setup works better overall then who am I to bitch?

I liked how narrow the new bike felt between the knees. She's more svelte in the waist than the older GS. Having said that, I do think a perceptive rider could tell that the new bike's weight is greater and/or that the weight is more centralized or more forward of the rider than the older GS. That's what I felt when I road my "antique" GS home after riding the new GS. My bike rolls over faster, but steers a bit heavier. I could understand the whole tankslapper syndrome based on what I felt, but the bike I rode gave me no cause for concern during my 25 minute road test. Whether the new bike needs a steering damper remains to be seen, but I would have that towards the top of my farkle list. I'm not trying to incite a riot here, but my gut instinct suggests that a steering damper, while maybe not necessary, could do NO harm.

Things I didn't like include the switchgear. The heated grips are controlled by a momentary switch on the right switch console instead of the familiar rocker. Instead of quickly selecting the desired heat of the grips via the rocker, one must now cycle the selection between High, Low, Off...High, Low, Off...High, Low, Off ad infinitum via the button. The dash icons for the grips aren't very useful because the icons are small and hard to read. I am sure familiarity would make this point moot, but I like the rocker switch more. With the rocker I can tell the state of the grip heaters without taking my eyes off of the road, looking at the dash or remembering where I last set them by quickly changing the selection and counting the clicks; Off + down 2-clicks means the intial state was off; 1-click up/down means I was at Low heat, etc. I think a rocker switch AND a larger dash icon would have been more handy.

The turnsignal switch is lamish to me, too. I don't mind the the single control switch as much as I mind how delicate the new switch is. It doesn't feel as robust as the outgoing multi-switch gear. To me, it just feels...well, cute and delicate.

Nothing of what I experienced would be a deal-breaker if I had a mind to buy the new liquid-cooled GS. OTOH, nothing that I experienced would alter my desire to keep my late-model air-cooled GS. The two bikes are just different flavors of the same paradigm. It's remarkable that BMW could pull that feat off. They made a new GS that didn't alienate the old GS owners.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:17 PM   #6716
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The bike makes far more noise then i expected. It's pretty loud that can get annoying. It's a good thing that i wear ear-plugs, so it's not a problem for me.
Exactly what I thought.

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The seat is very good. It don't need to be replaced. I mention this because the seats of my last 1200 GS and 1200 RT needed to be replaced asap. This is not the case with the new bike.
Exactly what I thought.

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Old 03-16-2013, 07:34 PM   #6717
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Guys, you're all so smart here, why does the LED headlight looks like this, separated in 2 parts (upper/lower)?
Is there a technical reason for this? Curious, anybody??

BMW wanted to put their log in the front, and this was the only place they could find
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:37 PM   #6718
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I think that's it, 2 for lo-beam could be but why? Why not one fat right in the middle? Cut-off?
Is that it? I guess I'm not used to a split lo-beam but love the technology for sure with the built in colling recirculating fan
to prevent icing up during the winter.

How come the lower "low" light is not lit up?

I went back and looked up my pics from the show and noticed the lower "Lo" has a scant amount of light. Whatever gets bounced from the top gets reflected from the bottom, but upper "Lo" has high glow. Comparing this to rider in South Africa, there is a strong glow from the upper and lower "Lo", which indicates there are 2 LEDs, for US bound only 1 LED is used, Europe could be using 2. This could be one of those DOT requirements. I don't know.

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Old 03-16-2013, 08:00 PM   #6719
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How come the lower "low" light is not lit up?
I'd say it is lit up, maybe the camera settings? Difficult to take pictures of bright light sources. I still don't understand
why that "dead-zone" in the middle, I'd understand if the beam was covered on top to provide a proper cut-off but in the middle?
Two completely different optics at different beam angles to illuminate the road ahead properly? Would be nice to see how it works.
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:42 PM   #6720
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I'd say it is lit up, maybe the camera settings? Difficult to take pictures of bright light sources. I still don't understand
why that "dead-zone" in the middle, I'd understand if the beam was covered on top to provide a proper cut-off but in the middle?
Two completely different optics at different beam angles to illuminate the road ahead properly? Would be nice to see how it works.
You could be right about the camera setting and or angle. I remember that to get better clarity, I ad to move to the right slightly and take a picture from an angle. It was bright when I looked at the light at the IMS, hence, my move.

TallGuy, I had another thought, go back and read my post, 'cause I edited it later after your post.

The "dead-zone" is where thick plastic sits, probably where the light source. I'll see where on this thread I posted pics from the show.

Here are pics from the show http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3917

On page 161 or 160, EJ posted a pic with Lo beam on, and lower does not light up. GS pic actually shows more darker at the bottom than mine.

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