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Old 03-25-2013, 03:51 PM   #7381
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:08 PM   #7382
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The LC appears to be able to stand upright with no centerstand deployed. I haven't read a thing about that in all the posts -- but I now see it on the internet so it has to be true!
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:11 PM   #7383
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The only thing real unique GS is the boxer engine and surprisingly Triumph didn't copy that concept yet
Who will? Some yet unknown Chinese company? Probably.
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Are you asking for an Ural GS?
There's been a Chinese boxer long ago, called Changjiang, which they copied from the Ural after the Ural copied from the BMW



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Old 03-25-2013, 04:20 PM   #7384
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I think even the Super Ténéré could be the "better motorcycle" for a lot of riders, only it's not for me.
The only thing real unique GS is the boxer engine and surprisingly Triumph didn't copy that concept yet
Who will? Some yet unknown Chinese company? Probably.
Triumph have not yet copied the concept of using the engine as an integrated part of the frame as it is done on the GS. That GS engine case doesn't twist like any other tube frame. Take a Triumph Explorer and load up its panniers and ride down the high way and then bump your hand on the handle bars and see how it flex and wobbles. Do the same with the new GS and you will feel a difference. The GS feels as stiff and stable as a bank vault door compared to the wobbling Triumph frame. Riding dynamics and precision :-)

You may think different but go and test it and you will see. Then take into consideration that the weight of the BMW is 238 kg and the Triumph is 259 kg. A significant extra 21 kg.

True I am not a big fan of the Triumph. Freedom of speech.

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Old 03-25-2013, 04:25 PM   #7385
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The LC appears to be able to stand upright with no centerstand deployed. I haven't read a thing about that in all the posts -- but I now see it on the internet so it has to be true!
Photo of the new 1200GS LC was taken while the invisible fantom rider was riding the bike :-) A bike in motion can stand up without the center stand :-)

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Old 03-25-2013, 04:26 PM   #7386
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The LC appears to be able to stand upright with no centerstand deployed. I haven't read a thing about that in all the posts -- but I now see it on the internet so it has to be true!
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:50 PM   #7387
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Inertial Stability Control (ISC) great for short people and offroad conditions
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:52 PM   #7388
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The GS feels as stiff and stable as a bank vault door compared to the wobbling Triumph frame.

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Except when the fork wobbles and shakes
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:01 PM   #7389
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Inertial Stability Control (ISC) great for short people and offroad conditions
They weren't showing it on their cutouts, but buried right behind the doomed alternator



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Old 03-25-2013, 05:06 PM   #7390
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Max waiting for before/after pics of the side (preferably both sides) and front.

Best way for proper scaling is the known distance between wheel centers.
Don't just size them similarly.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:28 PM   #7391
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The LC appears to be able to stand upright with no centerstand deployed. I haven't read a thing about that in all the posts -- but I now see it on the internet so it has to be true!
That's true engineering ingenuity, comes with gyroscope instead of center stand!
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:31 PM   #7392
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There's been a Chinese boxer long ago, called Changjiang, which they copied from the Ural after the Ural copied from the BMW



Amazing!
Such a design can't possibly be deployed on and type of mobile machinery! :-)
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:35 PM   #7393
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:04 PM   #7394
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For a while I have tried to decide between the KTM 1190 or the LC GS. I currently ride a 2006 GS in great shape with full Öhlins suspension.

Had almost decided on getting the KTM. It is quite a bit cheaper here in Tokyo compared to the GS and I kinda wanted something a bit different.
I test rode the GS and it was very nice.

I still felt like I wanted to try the KTM before I decided but it is not available here before early May.

Then I started to think about the bigger picture. In 2009 I bought a brand new Superduke R. I spent a shitload of money and time on that bike just to make it rideable. On track and on certain roads it was wonderful but often I felt like setting it on fire and kicking it into a ditch.
Traded it in for a S1000rr at the end of last year, lost 75% of what I paid for the bike.

I am on my third 1200gs, I have owned a 2006 and also a 2008. The current 2006 was bought 3 years ago with 30 000km's on it. It is now at 60k's and it hasn't given me one single problem.

Considering the track record of irritating issues with the Superduke together with the resale value I just couldn't bring myself to but another KTM just yet. Maybe the new 1190 will be the game changer?

Went down to the BMW dealer and bought a thunder gray GS on Saturday afternoon....hope to ride it already next weekend :-)

I feel a bit like a BMW fan boy with 2 new BMW in the garage....but they were both bought for their individual merits. The s1000rr is also a very sweet bike.
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:21 PM   #7395
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For a while I have tried to decide between the KTM 1190 or the LC GS. I currently ride a 2006 GS in great shape with full Öhlins suspension.

Had almost decided on getting the KTM. It is quite a bit cheaper here in Tokyo compared to the GS and I kinda wanted something a bit different.
I test rode the GS and it was very nice.

I still felt like I wanted to try the KTM before I decided but it is not available here before early May.

Then I started to think about the bigger picture. In 2009 I bought a brand new Superduke R. I spent a shitload of money and time on that bike just to make it rideable. On track and on certain roads it was wonderful but often I felt like setting it on fire and kicking it into a ditch.
Traded it in for a S1000rr at the end of last year, lost 75% of what I paid for the bike.

I am on my third 1200gs, I have owned a 2006 and also a 2008. The current 2006 was bought 3 years ago with 30 000km's on it. It is now at 60k's and it hasn't given me one single problem.

Considering the track record of irritating issues with the Superduke together with the resale value I just couldn't bring myself to but another KTM just yet. Maybe the new 1190 will be the game changer?

Went down to the BMW dealer and bought a thunder gray GS on Saturday afternoon....hope to ride it already next weekend :-)

I feel a bit like a BMW fan boy with 2 new BMW in the garage....but they were both bought for their individual merits. The s1000rr is also a very sweet bike.
Congratulations! What options did you get and did the bike you test rode have dynamic suspension?
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