ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > GSpot > GS Boxers
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-25-2013, 03:05 PM   #7381
MaxReving
Gnarly Adventurer
 
MaxReving's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: On The Twisty Roads
Oddometer: 182
Triumph vs BMW.





Max :-)

MaxReving screwed with this post 03-25-2013 at 03:15 PM
MaxReving is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 03:24 PM   #7382
nwpa
Generally amused
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Location: Along the Great Lakes
Oddometer: 499
After/before


nwpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 03:45 PM   #7383
Tonopah
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Tonopah's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Location: New River, AZ
Oddometer: 452
I ride an '09 R1200GS now (37,000 -- all me) and love it.

Rode a demo LC R1200GS bike today. Basic suspension version. Red color.

In person, I thought the bike looked better than in the pictures I've seen. Bike looks pretty clean and well proportioned. It looks somehow a bit smaller than my '09.

On the bike, the first thing I noticed was the narrower feel. Firing up the motor -- I did not much care for the sound -- sounds nothing like my '09 (well, naturally enough as my '09 has remus straight through headers, no cat and an akra can with baffle out). The LC motor sounds like there is a lot going on in there with all the whirring, spinning and even occasional whisting to be heard. On idle, the windscreen shakes (like a harley?).

Under way, the bike feels amazingly light (even though we all know that it is a bit heavier than the previous bike). The CG is indeed low and the balance of the bike is wonderful.

Low speed parking lot manouevers are easy. No drama. On the highway, the bike is pretty smooth and well planted. Windscreen is alright but then again I ususally ride visor down at speed anyway.

Tranmission was fine -- no unusual noises, bumps or grinds. I had no trouble finding neutral.

All in all, the loveable tractor feel of the previous R1200GS is largely gone. The new motor spins up quickly and accellerating with spirit in 2nd gear pushed me backwards on the bike and that was a surprise. Throttle seemed fine to me and clutch was very good (on the demo bike it began engaging early in the lever movement and was easy to handle -- not abrupt unless you want it to be).

Overall -- I liked it.
__________________
A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again
Tonopah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 03:51 PM   #7384
MaxReving
Gnarly Adventurer
 
MaxReving's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: On The Twisty Roads
Oddometer: 182
Quote:
Originally Posted by nwpa View Post
After/before
Another after/before



Max :-)
MaxReving is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 04:08 PM   #7385
Tonopah
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Tonopah's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Location: New River, AZ
Oddometer: 452
The LC appears to be able to stand upright with no centerstand deployed. I haven't read a thing about that in all the posts -- but I now see it on the internet so it has to be true!
__________________
A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again
Tonopah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 04:11 PM   #7386
bolderboulder
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Location: Colorado
Oddometer: 118
Quote:
Originally Posted by tallguy-09 View Post
The only thing real unique GS is the boxer engine and surprisingly Triumph didn't copy that concept yet
Who will? Some yet unknown Chinese company? Probably.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cug View Post
Are you asking for an Ural GS?
There's been a Chinese boxer long ago, called Changjiang, which they copied from the Ural after the Ural copied from the BMW



bolderboulder is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 04:20 PM   #7387
MaxReving
Gnarly Adventurer
 
MaxReving's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: On The Twisty Roads
Oddometer: 182
Quote:
Originally Posted by tallguy-09 View Post
I think even the Super Ténéré could be the "better motorcycle" for a lot of riders, only it's not for me.
The only thing real unique GS is the boxer engine and surprisingly Triumph didn't copy that concept yet
Who will? Some yet unknown Chinese company? Probably.
Triumph have not yet copied the concept of using the engine as an integrated part of the frame as it is done on the GS. That GS engine case doesn't twist like any other tube frame. Take a Triumph Explorer and load up its panniers and ride down the high way and then bump your hand on the handle bars and see how it flex and wobbles. Do the same with the new GS and you will feel a difference. The GS feels as stiff and stable as a bank vault door compared to the wobbling Triumph frame. Riding dynamics and precision :-)

You may think different but go and test it and you will see. Then take into consideration that the weight of the BMW is 238 kg and the Triumph is 259 kg. A significant extra 21 kg.

True I am not a big fan of the Triumph. Freedom of speech.

Max :-)
MaxReving is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 04:25 PM   #7388
MaxReving
Gnarly Adventurer
 
MaxReving's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: On The Twisty Roads
Oddometer: 182
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonopah View Post
The LC appears to be able to stand upright with no centerstand deployed. I haven't read a thing about that in all the posts -- but I now see it on the internet so it has to be true!
Photo of the new 1200GS LC was taken while the invisible fantom rider was riding the bike :-) A bike in motion can stand up without the center stand :-)

Max :-)
MaxReving is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 04:26 PM   #7389
nwpa
Generally amused
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Location: Along the Great Lakes
Oddometer: 499
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonopah View Post
The LC appears to be able to stand upright with no centerstand deployed. I haven't read a thing about that in all the posts -- but I now see it on the internet so it has to be true!
Low CG
nwpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 04:50 PM   #7390
EJ_92606
Rider
 
EJ_92606's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Oddometer: 1,767
Quote:
Originally Posted by nwpa View Post
Low CG
Inertial Stability Control (ISC) great for short people and offroad conditions
EJ_92606 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 04:52 PM   #7391
EJ_92606
Rider
 
EJ_92606's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Oddometer: 1,767
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxReving View Post
The GS feels as stiff and stable as a bank vault door compared to the wobbling Triumph frame.

Max :-)
Except when the fork wobbles and shakes
EJ_92606 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 05:01 PM   #7392
nwpa
Generally amused
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Location: Along the Great Lakes
Oddometer: 499
Quote:
Originally Posted by EJ_92606 View Post
Inertial Stability Control (ISC) great for short people and offroad conditions
They weren't showing it on their cutouts, but buried right behind the doomed alternator



are the true brains of the improved handling

nwpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 05:06 PM   #7393
NLS
My bike needs washing...
 
NLS's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Location: GREECE!
Oddometer: 2,871
Max waiting for before/after pics of the side (preferably both sides) and front.

Best way for proper scaling is the known distance between wheel centers.
Don't just size them similarly.
__________________
NLS
My Blog
When the going gets tough, the tough get going...
NLS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 05:28 PM   #7394
tallguy-09
Smile 4 Miles
 
tallguy-09's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Vancouver
Oddometer: 1,436
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonopah View Post
The LC appears to be able to stand upright with no centerstand deployed. I haven't read a thing about that in all the posts -- but I now see it on the internet so it has to be true!
That's true engineering ingenuity, comes with gyroscope instead of center stand!
tallguy-09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 05:31 PM   #7395
tallguy-09
Smile 4 Miles
 
tallguy-09's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Vancouver
Oddometer: 1,436
Quote:
Originally Posted by bolderboulder View Post
There's been a Chinese boxer long ago, called Changjiang, which they copied from the Ural after the Ural copied from the BMW



Amazing!
Such a design can't possibly be deployed on and type of mobile machinery! :-)
tallguy-09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 03:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014