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Old 04-01-2013, 09:48 AM   #7831
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Thumbs down ABOUT THose WELDS

If those welds in the previous picture were done at the BMW factory, and they continue to produce bikes with weld-ments like that.......... we are definitely in big trouble. Some of those joints were actually almost cold weld joints.. or at least looked that way in the ( not so good pics as opposed to up close and in person). And don't forget, once paint is applied a weld almost always looks better. COLD WELD = a failure at some point !

After attending college and taking Industrial arts ( welding classes were part of the curriculum) I welded for a while. Yeppers those weld-ments would have earned me a NON PASSING grade ....jus saying

OH MY ...what art thou doing BMW? Surely it can not be only about pure profit and damn everything else?

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Old 04-01-2013, 09:48 AM   #7832
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I've ordered the headlight guard for a mere $156.72.
Also ordered the luggage plate - 77448523742 and small tankbag - 77458534698. Waiting on the guard and plate but my tankbag is ready for pickup.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:16 AM   #7833
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Yes a low suspension model can be ordered but it is not available with ESA.
This is wrong. The low suspension version can ONLY be ordered with "Dynamic ESA" and "ASC and Modes". Furthermore, you cannot order the low seat together with the lowered suspension because the low seat is a part of the low suspension option.

Below is a screen dump from the German bike configurator. I can not give 100% guarantee that all options are available worldwide.



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Old 04-01-2013, 10:42 AM   #7834
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I can see that still nobody has answered my questions; therefore I'm asking you another one: would you buy it / order it without ESA?

Please explain your reply. Just to be frank with you guys, I'm willing to order it without ESA, as:

- I consider the manual adjustment being more suitable / accurate.
- lower replacement cost

My main problem / concern the case I order it without ESA, is the front suspension which ... can not be adjusted ...!
No because the demo bike I rode didn't have the ride modes and I consider the throttle sensitivity to be completely ill-suited for any offroad use at all and not to my liking for on-road use.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:44 AM   #7835
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Hurra for handmade stuff

Ohh my God those weldings don't look nice. They might hold the subframe together but they sure look like someone had a very bad day at the welding factory. Maybe BMW Motorrad has subcontracted the welding but they still have to have some kind of quality control of all the subframes no matter if they made them themselves or if it was made by subcontractors. This for sure does not look like German engineering.

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I've seen better welds on a chinese made bicycle frame. Sad.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:51 AM   #7836
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Yes a low suspension model can be ordered but it is not available with ESA.
Sorry but this is incorrect.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:51 AM   #7837
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Sorry but this is incorrect.
I was also told by my dealer and by a BMW rep at the regional motorcycle show that ESA was not available with the low suspension option.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:56 AM   #7838
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I was also told by my dealer and by a BMW rep at the regional motorcycle show that ESA was not available with the low suspension option.
Reading from the US launch guide:

499 Low Suspension, 31.1/31.9 inches (only w/191 Dynamic ESA, Incl 776) - $250

776 is Low seat, 32.3/33.1 inches, $0

191 is Dynamic ESA (only w/190) - $950

190 is Enduro ASC and Riding modes (only w/191, or packages 234, 237, or 238) - $450
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:57 AM   #7839
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"I was also told by my dealer and by a BMW rep at the regional motorcycle show that ESA was not available with the low suspension option"

It is the opposite

Select a basic R1200GS with NO Pack.

When you select Low Suspension in 'Equipment in Options'


ESA & ASC come automatically in the Bike Configurator
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:57 AM   #7840
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I was also told by my dealer and by a BMW rep at the regional motorcycle show that ESA was not available with the low suspension option.
You were told wrong
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:03 PM   #7841
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I was also told by my dealer and by a BMW rep at the regional motorcycle show that ESA was not available with the low suspension option.
This was true for the old versions, for the 2013 low suspension is only available with ESA.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:04 PM   #7842
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You were told wrong

Yep. Thanks for quickly pointing that out
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:12 PM   #7843
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Yep. Thanks for quickly pointing that out
Read the forum more often...was discussed long ago
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:16 PM   #7844
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Read the forum more often...was discussed long ago
It was discussed. But if I remember correctly it was speculative. And its also a lesson that your dealer and even a company rep get it wrong once in a while. My dealer told me this only several weeks ago.

Ronald Regan once said "Trust. But verify."
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Old 04-01-2013, 01:19 PM   #7845
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I've not noticed particularly bad welds on my bike. Even if they are big, at least the bike won't fall apart
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