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Old 04-22-2013, 05:22 PM   #8626
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^ Surprised they could do that "test" with a straight face.
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Old 04-22-2013, 05:42 PM   #8627
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Now looking forward to somebody spotting the GSA...
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:41 PM   #8628
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^ Surprised they could do that "test" with a straight face.
What is wrong with having an expert rider trying the bikes out and giving some feedback?
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:22 PM   #8629
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:25 PM   #8630
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:27 PM   #8631
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What is wrong with having an expert rider trying the bikes out and giving some feedback?
Oh yeah, he was real good. Loved watching him wobble around that corner with his foot out like he was flat-tracking...
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:34 PM   #8632
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:24 AM   #8633
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:22 AM   #8634
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Thanks.

Pretty much matches what I (and most people) thought.
It's always good when an expert agrees with you (or ahem... you agree with an expert ).

Didn't expect Triumph to be that bad off-road in this incarnation.

So the Kind and Queen of expensive-mega-duals(-that-we-actually-don't-need*) remain the same.

(* as any DR rider would say)
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:56 AM   #8635
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:04 AM   #8636
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Thanks.

Pretty much matches what I (and most people) thought.
It's always good when an expert agrees with you (or ahem... you agree with an expert ).
Hope you're joking. The "offroad" course ridden was laughable, the MCN rider's technique was pathetic and your average 8 year old could give a more thoughtful critique.
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Hope you're joking. The "offroad" course ridden was laughable, the MCN rider's technique was pathetic and your average 8 year old could give a more thoughtful critique.
First of all I didn't see an offroad course. Just some kidding around. I don't think this is the test he did on the bikes. He must have done some tests that they did not show. The video was like a summary thing. Do you have any more video about this test?

That said, do you disagree with his opinion?

Or the point of the post was that this expert did not actually test anything?
Or you question his expertise? (esp. maybe compared to yours)

Finally, if that was the actual test (fooling around in some light dirt for 5 minutes each bike), the indication that expert got, you think is wrong? In other words if the bikes give out a specific "feeling" when ridden on that course, you believe it would change on a longer harder one? Could for example the Triumph be a hidden gem? (very well hidden, very deep only for Indiana Jones to dig out) Or BMW crap? Or something like that?

Sorry just trying to understand what you mean.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:35 AM   #8638
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First of all I didn't see an offroad course. Just some kidding around. I don't think this is the test he did on the bikes. He must have done some tests that they did not show. The video was like a summary thing. Do you have any more video about this test?

That said, do you disagree with his opinion?

Or the point of the post was that this expert did not actually test anything?
Or you question his expertise? (esp. maybe compared to yours)

Finally, if that was the actual test (fooling around in some light dirt for 5 minutes each bike), the indication that expert got, you think is wrong? In other words if the bikes give out a specific "feeling" when ridden on that course, you believe it would change on a longer harder one? Could for example the Triumph be a hidden gem? (very well hidden, very deep only for Indiana Jones to dig out) Or BMW crap? Or something like that?

Sorry just trying to understand what you mean.
I meant just what I said. If you want to see an offroad test done correctly by people who can actually push these bikes hard offroad, watch this. Very much looking forward to Cycle World's offroad comparison of the new GS, KTM and S10.

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Old 04-23-2013, 03:11 AM   #8639
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I meant just what I said. If you want to see an offroad test done correctly by people who can actually push these bikes hard offroad, watch this. Very much looking forward to Cycle World's offroad comparison of the new GS, KTM and S10.
So a way better test is running a dust covered flat?
(ain't that what like 98% of the video shows?)
Wow I can do that test easily.

Anyway, I still don't understand what you mean with your first post.
You discredit something? The expert? The test?

If you discredit the expert, you do that, as a bigger expert? Can you enlighten us (in that case) what makes you a bigger expert than him AND give us your opinion? (because in that case, we certainly all want to hear it)

If you discredit the test, not the expert (which test, we actually don't see AFAIK, just some photo opportunities), then the question changes. Do you disagree with the results? Based on what? I mean ok a test is classified by you as bad (based on some unknown analysis on some data we don't actually have - except if you have them), but do you have a better one? And if a test is bad, you believe it gave us wrong results too? You disagree that if a light test shows a trend, this is indeed a trend that will most probably agree with a harder test?

I think my questions are valid.
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I would certainly like a comparative test of the two-three-(four?-five?) supposed big duals in this:



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