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Old 06-02-2013, 11:12 AM   #9241
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I bet that is a good possibility! Yet in the large scheme of things I do not understand doing that for emissions! Lets face it, the amount of "pollution" that all of the motorcycles in world emit, is way less than all the Cows, horses, Elephants, Dogs, Cats, Lions, Tigers, Bears, Raccoons, Humans that eat beans, etc produce!!!!! Maybe they are bowing to the pressure from Al ( asshole) Gore and the green man group. SILLY...PLAIN OLE SILLY!

I am guessing that they did the W/C for many reasons.
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Old 06-02-2013, 11:45 AM   #9242
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I bet that is a good possibility! Yet in the large scheme of things I do not understand doing that for emissions! Lets face it, the amount of "pollution" that all of the motorcycles in world emit, is way less than all the Cows, horses, Elephants, Dogs, Cats, Lions, Tigers, Bears, Raccoons, Humans that eat beans, etc produce!!!!! Maybe they are bowing to the pressure from Al ( asshole) Gore and the green man group. SILLY...PLAIN OLE SILLY!

I am guessing that they did the W/C for many reasons.
The EU has decided that motorcycles MUST meet euro 5 in a few years time. They currently only have to meet euro 3 so quite a jump. BMW are a little ahead of the game but very shortly the boxer would have been legislated out of existence in Europe. It probably won't stop here and no doubt there will be euro 6 and 7 and before you know it everything on the road will need a battery up it ass or it will be banned.
Oh and before anybody chips in with BMW have already stated they could have got the old engine to pass euro 5. You are correct but what they didn't say was in what state the engine would have been in. Like it or not, this had to happen because of legislation makers and tree huggers.
Personally I don't think it's a bad thing but there you go, we can all have opinions.
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Old 06-02-2013, 11:54 AM   #9243
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You are a terminal fool.
Why thank you....and BTW that tells me a great deal about you!

I am so sorry you are .......well.........lost
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:00 PM   #9244
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The EU has decided that motorcycles MUST meet euro 5 in a few years time. They currently only have to meet euro 3 so quite a jump. BMW are a little ahead of the game but very shortly the boxer would have been legislated out of existence in Europe. It probably won't stop here and no doubt there will be euro 6 and 7 and before you know it everything on the road will need a battery up it ass or it will be banned.
Oh and before anybody chips in with BMW have already stated they could have got the old engine to pass euro 5. You are correct but what they didn't say was in what state the engine would have been in. Like it or not, this had to happen because of legislation makers and tree huggers.
Personally I don't think it's a bad thing but there you go, we can all have opinions.
Mark.... and how is the EU doing? Not to good from what I hear! So the results of their efforts speak to the efficacy of their efforts, ideals, and misguided ways. And yes things are not that good on this side of the pond and only getting worse at this point in time.

There is nothing wrong with trying to "DO RIGHT" by the planet. BUT "possum-on-a-gumbush", do they have to get so damn radical. Besides all of those who want a "more green" approach, are them selves FOORKEN hypocrites!
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:07 PM   #9245
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Why thank you....and BTW that tells me a great deal about you!

I am so sorry you are .......well.........lost
Your post is full of gibberish and coming from someone who makes elaborate claims of great mechanical prowess it is even more absurd. The piece de resistance is your completely gratuitous reference to Al Gore. From your barely literate "contributions" to threads, you give the impression of someone who actually doesn't know anything about almost everything.

Motor vehicles run better and last longer than they ever have.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:10 PM   #9246
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Mark.... and how is the EU doing? Not to good from what I hear! So the results of their efforts speak to the efficacy of their efforts, ideals, and misguided ways. And yes things are not that good on this side of the pond and only getting worse at this point in time.

There is nothing wrong with trying to "DO RIGHT" by the planet. BUT "possum-on-a-gumbush", do they have to get so damn radical. Besides all of those who want a "more green" approach, are them selves FOORKEN hypocrites!
WTF

So now it is bash the EU time?

If you have not noticed engine technology advances and the dinosaurs that are the old air coolers are eventually going to bite the dust...regulation or not..

This has happened with everything...yes, maybe EU regulation sped it up a bit but like Guzzi, resting on a decades old engine design eventually costs ya...and I can tell you..the new engine is a gem...

either way..different strokes for different folks but you drifting a bit off topic and political for a GS forum are you not?
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:12 PM   #9247
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I bet that is a good possibility! Yet in the large scheme of things I do not understand doing that for emissions! Lets face it, the amount of "pollution" that all of the motorcycles in world emit, is way less than all the Cows, horses, Elephants, Dogs, Cats, Lions, Tigers, Bears, Raccoons, Humans that eat beans, etc produce!!!!! Maybe they are bowing to the pressure from Al ( asshole) Gore and the green man group. SILLY...PLAIN OLE SILLY!

I am guessing that they did the W/C for many reasons.
Main reason is emissions, and its not just the EU. U.S. regs are changing for 2015. You will see changes on motorcycles to ATVs, all in the name of lower emissions, and in some cases the U.S. standard will be tougher for manufacturers to meet than the EU spec. Truth of the matter is motorcycles emit more pollution per mile than today's cars, there are just fewer on the road in the U.S., so the net effect is less.

For the record, I'm not a greenie. Hate Al Gore and everything he stands for (and ashamed he is from my home state of TN). Completely disagree with Anorak.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:48 PM   #9248
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Definitely don't take it as a bash on Europe. Many of the things going on here are dumb and legislating for the sake of it. A banana must have X curve on it or you can't call it a banana :

Doesn't sound like this particular legislation has destroyed the boxer though. Smoother, more powerful (if you need it) and a touch more flexible TBW aside (I assume they will fix this via a software update) its all good.
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Old 06-02-2013, 01:49 PM   #9249
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Main reason is emissions, and its not just the EU. U.S. regs are changing for 2015. You will see changes on motorcycles to ATVs, all in the name of lower emissions, and in some cases the U.S. standard will be tougher for manufacturers to meet than the EU spec. Truth of the matter is motorcycles emit more pollution per mile than today's cars, there are just fewer on the road in the U.S., so the net effect is less.

For the record, I'm not a greenie. Hate Al Gore and everything he stands for (and ashamed he is from my home state of TN). Completely disagree with Anorak.
Thank you VolInGA

No Mark, i was not bashing the EU. I was stating facts. I am not creating, just stating what is common knowledge to many. I did not want to go political. The reasons why BMW chose to do what they do w/ regard to building bikes is what was up for discussion. BTW, it is ok for people to not agree with the way governments screw things up.

As for A----k.... i leave your ugly comments alone on the "pedestal-of-all that is wrong with mankind" Stand there and glow with your dullard ways. Your name ( a----k) explains your view point and lack of substance.

As for what I say and know... I simply state what I know to be true. I have done everything I have talked about on these various threads/ forums. Why would I make it up? I was only doing my small part to help add to the collective knowledge base. I HAVE NOT bashed any one, or worse. If I am wrong that is on me. If I am right, that is on me as well. If you know more or have a better idea, then explain it. I am open minded to learn. When people have negative things say, and offer no information that can help, It is a given that they are lost and uninformed. They join the ranks of the many that are not initiated!
It is amazing to me how people will put down others and by inference call them a lier in so many words. With out question that comes from their own ignorance.

In the end all of this verbiage it like pissing into the face of a hurricane west wind. In no time at all, in the big scheme of things, all of these words will not matter....THAT IS UNLESS people decide to work together and proceed forward with a spirit of understanding, patience and good muster.
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Old 06-02-2013, 03:39 PM   #9250
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GPS handelbar wheel

Has anyone been able to work out what the GPS scrolling wheel dose on the handle bars other than jump between 3 different views? I found that you cant actually manipulate anything on the GPS, All its good for is to flick through 2 or 3 views and get in the way of the horn and indicator switch .
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Old 06-02-2013, 03:41 PM   #9251
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That has been my experience also.
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Old 06-02-2013, 03:57 PM   #9252
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Hold the scroll wheel longer and it zooms in or out.
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Old 06-02-2013, 04:45 PM   #9253
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Woo Hoo!

I can't get the grin off my face long enough to complain about the new GSW.
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Old 06-02-2013, 05:11 PM   #9254
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Has anyone been able to work out what the GPS scrolling wheel dose on the handle bars other than jump between 3 different views? I found that you cant actually manipulate anything on the GPS, All its good for is to flick through 2 or 3 views and get in the way of the horn and indicator switch .

Try reading the manual. It has different functions on different pages.......short click left, long click left, short click right, long click right.......these inputs accomplish different things depending on what "page" you are on with the gps ......................it's all in the manual.
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Try reading the manual. It has different functions on different pages.......short click left, long click left, short click right, long click right.......these inputs accomplish different things depending on what "page" you are on with the gps ......................it's all in the manual.
Ah , unfortunatley my manual was left at the dealer and I have not been able to get back to pick it up.
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