The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[Beemerlover]

Originally Posted by Roadscum

It is Triumph that has BMW concerned. The Tiger 800/800XC is a full on competetitor of the BMW and the upcoming Tiger Explorer will go after the R1200Gs/GSA. It's Suppose to have 138 hp. If I were BMW I'ds be scared, very scared. Next Triumph will bring a shaft drive ST that will eat the R1200RT for a light snack. As always.... YMMV!

Regards, Paul

Any idea when the Explorer will be relesaed in the US? Looks great except for the cast wheels.

[tallguy-09]

Originally Posted by Beemerlover

Any idea when the Explorer will be relesaed in the US? Looks great except for the cast wheels.

Spoke wheels must be coming soon...Maybe BMW style similar to the new Honda Crosstourer?
Not a thread as far as I'm concerned. Nice motorcycle but the image is not there and the engine is not a Boxer.
I highly doubt that the main GS community will start buying Triumph's no matter how good a copy they might be and the Explorer is a pretty blatant copy I'd say so why not buying the original :-)

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by tallguy-09

Spoke wheels must be coming soon...Maybe BMW style similar to the new Honda Crosstourer?
Not a thread as far as I'm concerned. Nice motorcycle but the image is not there and the engine is not a Boxer.
I highly doubt that the main GS community will start buying Triumph's no matter how good a copy they might be and the Explorer is a pretty blatant copy I'd say so why not buying the original :-)

I think Triumph will get buyers who don't "get" the boxer thing and are coming from some other high horsepower bike with less comfortable ergos.

I think they will also get buyers who are abandoning BMW (or afraid of BMW in the first place) due to reliability issues.

[slowoldguy]

I was surprised when I talked to the Triumph guys at the Dallas show that there were no immediate plans for a "dirtier" version of the 1200 (like for the 800). As fitted, the Explorer is more in direct competition with the MS1200 (a comfortable sportbike).

[Poolside]

Originally Posted by GSMarc

Dealers buy the bikes, so of course you can find old/new models in their shop.
What is said is that on the official BMW-Motorrad website, you will not find old and new models for sale together, only new models.

The examples posted were all available during same model years from the factory and website.
Example: 1100S, 1150R/RT/RS/GS, 1200C/M, were all available new during the same model years.

And so far every new motor takes at least 2 model years to trickle through to all the models.

JVB gave another example.

[tallguy-09]

Originally Posted by Emoto

I think Triumph will get buyers who don't "get" the boxer thing and are coming from some other high horsepower bike with less comfortable ergos.

I think they will also get buyers who are abandoning BMW (or afraid of BMW in the first place) due to reliability issues.

Good point. I think I'm one of these riders never experiencing any reliability issues
because I'm too old, don't have enough time to ride anymore kind of thing, that's so sad

[dmac57]

Originally Posted by Roadscum

It is Triumph that has BMW concerned. The Tiger 800/800XC is a full on competetitor of the BMW and the upcoming Tiger Explorer will go after the R1200Gs/GSA. It's Suppose to have 138 hp. If I were BMW I'ds be scared, very scared. Next Triumph will bring a shaft drive ST that will eat the R1200RT for a light snack. As always.... YMMV!

I doubt it. Actually, I doubt both of those conjectures. As much as I like Triumph, even on the Tiger 800, they always seem to come up short on execution, usually by going cheap, whether it's on suspension, bags, something. I suspect that the new Explorer will be more competition for the Super10 than the GS, simply because of the price point they'll aim at. I also suspect that it will fall short of the performance of the Multistrada, so they won't make inroads on that end of the Adventure segment either, other than riders who don't want to maintain a Ducati.

As to a future new ST? If it's an "ST", the RT is safe. Different market. It might aim at the spot vacated by the previous generation R-RS or R12ST, but who knows what iteration of the WaterBoxer will occupy that niche? I don't mean to be a homie, but I'd be surprised if BMW's not leading both of those charges.

[dmac57]

Originally Posted by Poolside

The examples posted were all available during same model years from the factory and website.
Example: 1100S, 1150R/RT/RS/GS, 1200C/M, were all available new during the same model years.

True, but that muddies the water a bit. The 1100S was a holdover of the 1100 motor in a different set of running gear. The 1200C had more in common mechanically with the 1100s than the 1150s. The 1150 family was the main product line for a long time until the introduction of the hexheads.

What I think the OPs were saying is that it's unlikely that you'll see parallel production of camheads and waterboxers on the same models, say two different GS-es. But what do I know? I'm putting words in someone else's mouth.

[GSMarc]

Originally Posted by Poolside

The examples posted were all available during same model years from the factory and website.
Example: 1100S, 1150R/RT/RS/GS, 1200C/M, were all available new during the same model years.
And so far every new motor takes at least 2 model years to trickle through to all the models.
JVB gave another example.

we will soon control that, when the 2012 S1000RR will be available, we will check if the previous one will be still on German website.

http://www.bmw-motorrad.de/de/de/index.html

[dmac57]

Originally Posted by GSMarc

we will soon control that, when the 2012 S1000RR will be available, we will check if the previous one will be still on German website.[/URL]

[GSMarc]

yes, we will see if they sell in the same time 2011 S1000RR & 2012 S1000RR

[dmac57]

Originally Posted by GSMarc

yes, we will see if they sell in the same time 2011 S1000RR & 2012 S1000RR

Why does this feel like a tar baby?

[996DL]

Originally Posted by tallguy-09

Nice motorcycle but the image is not there and the engine is not a Boxer.
I highly doubt that the main GS community will start buying Triumph's no matter how good a copy they might be and the Explorer is a pretty blatant copy I'd say so why not buying the original.

It's so pleasant now, that the BMW owners, have their own model specific advrider forums.

996DL

[mike,p]

The KTM ADV was supposed to put a BIG dent in GS sales it did not. The Tenere will not.The Triumph will not. I for one LOVE the other Bike MFRs getting in the game , It can only make things BETTER FOR ALL!!!! I just wish for people to be HAPPY with whatever bike they buy, like I am happy with mine.

[tagesk]

Originally Posted by mike,p

The KTM ADV was supposed to put a BIG dent in GS sales it did not. The Tenere will not.The Triumph will not.

Sales first 10 month of 2011 in Italy (the biggest marked in Europa:

BMW R1200GS / Adventure	4.782
Kawazaki Z750/R	2.130
Ducati Multistrada 1200/S Touring	1.815
Honda Hornet	1.704
BMW R1200R	1.590
Triumph TIger 800	1.572
Honda XL700V Transalp	1.496
H-D XL 1200X	1.395
BMW F800 GS	1.382
BMW F800 R	1.336
Suzuki DL 650 V-Strom	1.332
Triumph Bonneville	1.225
Ducati Hypermotard 796	1.198
Yamaha FZ8	1.158
H-D SL 883 N	1.059
Yamaha XJ6	1.021
Honda CB1000R	996
Kawazaki ER-6N	919
BMW G 650 GS	848
Ducati Diavel ABS	838

The Suzuki DL 650 V-Strom is climbing, and was the most sold bike in October (competing with the more than double-price 12GS).

[TaSK]