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Old 06-15-2013, 07:49 PM   #9556
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Its smoother at around 75 mph than 80, fwiw, but not sure if this changes as the breakin smooths things out.

The steering is also very light at highway speeds, lighter than any bike I've ridden. I used to think my multistrada was a bit light at the front end at 70, but it feels like a model of heavy-steering stability by comparison. The GS recovers fine, but is easily moved by light steering inputs and road deflections. This doesn't really bother me since I usually avoid highways like the plague, but highway touring types might want to think about a steering damper, IMHO, just to be able to relax a bit more. I'm not sure how knobbies will feel, either. My bike came with Trail Attacks.

This thing just rails thru 30-50 mph corners. Haven't done enough sweepers to have an opinion there yet.
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:03 PM   #9557
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Visited the dealership today and was very impressed by the GSLC. The smooth throttle is fantastic.
It got me thinking about reliability: how sturdy and failproof that throttle has to be, to live up to the standards set by previous versions of the GS?
Has any concern been addressed?
(Sorry if issue was already discussed but my searches returned nothing)
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:15 PM   #9558
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Visited the dealership today and was very impressed by the GSLC. The smooth throttle is fantastic.
It got me thinking about reliability: how sturdy and failproof that throttle has to be, to live up to the standards set by previous versions of the GS?
Has any concern been addressed?
Far too early to answer a question like that, no one has had a chance to rack up high mileage yet.
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Old 06-16-2013, 06:27 AM   #9559
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Its smoother at around 75 mph than 80, fwiw, but not sure if this changes as the breakin smooths things out.

The steering is also very light at highway speeds, lighter than any bike I've ridden. I used to think my multistrada was a bit light at the front end at 70, but it feels like a model of heavy-steering stability by comparison. The GS recovers fine, but is easily moved by light steering inputs and road deflections. This doesn't really bother me since I usually avoid highways like the plague, but highway touring types might want to think about a steering damper, IMHO, just to be able to relax a bit more. I'm not sure how knobbies will feel, either. My bike came with Trail Attacks.

This thing just rails thru 30-50 mph corners. Haven't done enough sweepers to have an opinion there yet.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...47883778,d.aWc

This YOU TUBE video has been bouncing around.. demonstrates the VERY LIGHT Steering you refer to.
I test rode a couple WC, very light, like nothing I've ever owned.

Curious, I tried the same sort of HITTING THE GRIP/BAR END, as seen on the video while riding my 650 Vstrom and my 2003 K1200GT. The Vstrom has a "go cruise" throttle lock, and of course the K12GT has electronic cruise control, like the WC. DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME KIDS.

The Vstrom is no where near as affected by HITTING the GRIP/BAR END.
Seemingly, nearly unfased in fact. The Vstrom has no steering damper.

My 2003 K1200GT, well, seems like you'd have to hit it with a sledge hammer to get it shudder. The GT has a steering damper. The GT is reluctant to change direction even when pushing it around in my garage. You gotta muscle it around. Tiring really.

My .02, I'd bet you'll see that lightness firmed up a bit in years /models to come. Either with a damper or steering geometry tweeks...

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Old 06-16-2013, 06:58 AM   #9560
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So I picked up the GS on Friday. Cannot add much to the test ride last week, except that the low seat is more comfortable than hoped for. The bike gives a lot of joy to ride. I came back after a second ride on Friday and felt like going again. Love the sound, the handling and the dynamic mode.

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Old 06-16-2013, 07:37 AM   #9561
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Old 06-16-2013, 08:47 AM   #9562
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Where can I find low seat and bar backs for my 2013 gs 1200
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:45 PM   #9563
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Can anyone tell me what "Automatic odometer (TRIP A)" is all about?
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:50 PM   #9564
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Can anyone tell me what "Automatic odometer (TRIP A)" is all about?
Basically your day's total mileage. I reset my Trip 1 for fuel, Trip 2 for Oil. Today when I left I'd had about 20 miles since my last fuel-up, I rode 110 miles, which my Trip A reflected. It's just a quick way to let you know how far you've traveled in the day, it resets automatically.
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Old 06-16-2013, 05:55 PM   #9565
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Basically your day's total mileage. I reset my Trip 1 for fuel, Trip 2 for Oil. Today when I left I'd had about 20 miles since my last fuel-up, I rode 110 miles, which my Trip A reflected. It's just a quick way to let you know how far you've traveled in the day, it resets automatically.
A daily trip odometer? So, at midnight or some such, it resets automagically? Really?
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Old 06-16-2013, 06:11 PM   #9566
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A daily trip odometer? So, at midnight or some such, it resets automagically? Really?
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Old 06-16-2013, 07:32 PM   #9567
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Wow. Ok. And I have read this entire thread, but forgot that.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:09 AM   #9568
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Far too early to answer a question like that, no one has had a chance to rack up high mileage yet.
I agree. My concern is about the concept of having another "high tech" feature in a bike that should be bulletproof. How many times we hit the handlebars offroad? Branches, rocks, puddles, etc. I can bypass the sidestand sensor if it breaks or improvise if the throttle cable snaps, but if the fly-by-wire thing is damaged, I'm done! This may be a rhetorical issue for most GS owners but some still ride offroad or to the end of the world in long trips, with no dealerships within a 1,000 miles radius.

Even though this post has to do with the new GSLC, it is not a criticism to the bike. I'll start a new thread, technology x reliability.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:11 AM   #9569
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...47883778,d.aWc

This YOU TUBE video has been bouncing around.. demonstrates the VERY LIGHT Steering you refer to.
I test rode a couple WC, very light, like nothing I've ever owned.

Curious, I tried the same sort of HITTING THE GRIP/BAR END, as seen on the video while riding my 650 Vstrom and my 2003 K1200GT. The Vstrom has a "go cruise" throttle lock, and of course the K12GT has electronic cruise control, like the WC. DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME KIDS.



The Vstrom is no where near as affected by HITTING the GRIP/BAR END.
Seemingly, nearly unfased in fact. The Vstrom has no steering damper.

My 2003 K1200GT, well, seems like you'd have to hit it with a sledge hammer to get it shudder. The GT has a steering damper. The GT is reluctant to change direction even when pushing it around in my garage. You gotta muscle it around. Tiring really.

My .02, I'd bet you'll see that lightness firmed up a bit in years /models to come. Either with a damper or steering geometry tweeks...

d'milan
That is a great video but what it says to me is that light steering does not mean instability. In fact the video shows how stable it is. If anything staying loose in your hips verses hanging on tightly to the bars is the key to stability. I can not see that a steering damper is required on road maybe off road in sand?
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:24 AM   #9570
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I agree. My concern is about the concept of having another "high tech" feature in a bike that should be bulletproof. How many times we hit the handlebars offroad? Branches, rocks, puddles, etc. I can bypass the sidestand sensor if it breaks or improvise if the throttle cable snaps, but if the fly-by-wire thing is damaged, I'm done! This may be a rhetorical issue for most GS owners but some still ride offroad or to the end of the world in long trips, with no dealerships within a 1,000 miles radius.

Even though this post has to do with the new GSLC, it is not a criticism to the bike. I'll start a new thread, technology x reliability.
This is a huge subject that I think have been discussed like a thousand times esp. in this forum.
As back as you can go, some things are considered "new and high tech" while others get to become "trusted and mainstream" that you don't think about and consider them the default actually.
So where do you draw the line and why?
Today ABS is standard for all BMW and pretty common for most bikes. Remember the discussions about how they are actually worse than a good rider modulating his hand? Or that they don't give you control? Or that if they break you don't expect that and would end up crashing the bike? Or even that they "unteach" you braking? This can go on for pretty much everything. Is fuel injection servicable in the middle of nowhere?
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