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Old 07-15-2013, 01:08 PM   #9976
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What are u waiting for? The new version won't part the sea. It just a bike that you ride. Why do you think the new one will be better? If the adventure has more of what appeals to me I will just trade it in on the next one.

I got mine on April 2 now done 6500+ Kms. No probs. bike is great not sure what everyone is going on about. I love my bike it's awesome. Just wish I had more time to ride it.

Not sure what your waiting for, version 1 of the GS was a long long time ago. Nothing needs fixing on my bike it goes great & is in my opinion the best bike I have ever ridden.

I can only assume you think that next years models will be even better. My guess is you will either be disappointed because you have set the bar so high or you have just waited for 12 months for exactly the same bike packaged slightly differently.

Wake up & recognise a great product & jump in.

So... why I'm not jumping.
First... I would like to have a complete understanding of the bike before I commit to it for the next 5 to 7 years.
Second... the MSRP on this bike will be more than twice what I paid for my current bike.
Third... First production run products tend to have minor issues that are corrected in later production runs.
Forth... I have never owned a BMW, I know the brand has a very strong following of loyalest, but I also know that quality control issues have dogged many of the brands "Flag Ship" models.

So it's hard for me to convince myself to abounded a perfectly capable bike so that I may invest twice the money on a first run bike from a brand with known quality issues for a fantasy of getting out of the city and searching for Adventure. Plus - I think the addition of a steering dampener as standard equipment is a major modification to the GS Line... and very telling.

That and my wife isn't on-board with the idea... yet.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:25 PM   #9977
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Take a deep breath....

I did read it. Reducing fluid in the master cylinder improved shifting for you and some others, but not for everyone. The thread also indicates that BMW "knows the cure" and is upgrading some parts.
I have just over 3300 miles and the shifting seems to be getting better. Neutral is easy to find and, with the exception of shifting into first at a stop, very smooth.
A non-issue for me.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:35 PM   #9978
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Someone with some inside information told me they heard that the next generation R engine is going back to NOT using water. Anyone hear this?
Cleaner emissions standards in Europe and elsewhere dictate the use of water cooling; I don't think they will take a step back, especially after spending over 5 years developing the water-cooled boxer twin. Same rumors followed Porsche around when they replaced their air-cooled boxers but here we are, over 10 years later and all of their engines are still water-cooled.

If BMW's past record is any indication, the oil-cooled engine will be around for at least another two years on some of their bikes but I don't see the GS going back to the oil-cooled engine.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:40 PM   #9979
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That and my wife isn't on-board with the idea... yet.
Never mind the rest of the excuses; this one is the real reason, isn't it
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:45 PM   #9980
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Someone with some inside information told me they heard that the next generation R engine is going back to NOT using water. Anyone hear this?
Was the phrase actually water cooled? I am surprised they are water cooled now but not liquid cooled. There are better coolants out there than a water anti freeze mix that would cause far less stress on the cooling system. So if it was actually water that was mentioned then it may be correct. Stopping liquid cooling, no way, they can't for several reasons.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:47 PM   #9981
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So... why I'm not jumping.
Plus - I think the addition of a steering dampener as standard equipment is a major modification to the GS Line... and very telling.
Just to stir the pot

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=902246
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Old 07-15-2013, 02:04 PM   #9982
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lol... for the record, if I let go of the bars on my FJR it'll pitch me on the ground.

I assume the staring dampener will improve performance and help the bike track straight on rough roads / off road. I also know from my test ride that the R1200GSW likes to wheelie.
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Old 07-15-2013, 02:45 PM   #9983
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So... why I'm not jumping.
First... I would like to have a complete understanding of the bike before I commit to it for the next 5 to 7 years.
Second... the MSRP on this bike will be more than twice what I paid for my current bike.
Third... First production run products tend to have minor issues that are corrected in later production runs.
Forth... I have never owned a BMW, I know the brand has a very strong following of loyalest, but I also know that quality control issues have dogged many of the brands "Flag Ship" models.

So it's hard for me to convince myself to abounded a perfectly capable bike so that I may invest twice the money on a first run bike from a brand with known quality issues for a fantasy of getting out of the city and searching for Adventure. Plus - I think the addition of a steering dampener as standard equipment is a major modification to the GS Line... and very telling.

That and my wife isn't on-board with the idea... yet.
Soo...it has more to do with the fact that your wife isn't on board?
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Old 07-15-2013, 03:24 PM   #9984
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Never mind the rest of the excuses; this one is the real reason, isn't it
Just what I was thinking ! You hit the nail on the head !
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Old 07-15-2013, 03:53 PM   #9985
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What does it cost to retrofit the cruise control??? I should have added that option to begin with... Doh
It comes as standard equipment.
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Old 07-15-2013, 03:59 PM   #9986
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Was the phrase actually water cooled? I am surprised they are water cooled now but not liquid cooled. There are better coolants out there than a water anti freeze mix that would cause far less stress on the cooling system. So if it was actually water that was mentioned then it may be correct. Stopping liquid cooling, no way, they can't for several reasons.
Not stopping liquid cooling but keeping the tradition alive.
Water cooling is not mandated.
Should the R90S come in a similar form I'm thinking it would be pretty attractive without water cooling.

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Old 07-15-2013, 04:18 PM   #9987
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Not stopping liquid cooling but keeping the tradition alive.
Water cooling is not mandated.
Should the R90S come in a similar form I'm thinking it would be pretty attractive without water cooling.

No liquid cooling isn't a mandate but emission levels are and that's the problem. Engines have to heat up quickly under euro 5 and they are also a lot tighter. To do that with the old engines would be a big ask and likely produce an engine that isn't very pleasant to drive. There is no way they will or can go back. As others have said the old engine will be around for a while yet. It's 4 or 6 years (can't remember which) before euro 5 is mandated for motorcycles so they may well continue with it in some models, maybe even models they don't currently do.
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Old 07-15-2013, 04:21 PM   #9988
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Just what I was thinking ! You hit the nail on the head !
I know because I have the same issue at home!
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:20 PM   #9989
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Third... First production run products tend to have minor issues that are corrected in later production runs.
Forth... I have never owned a BMW, I know the brand has a very strong following of loyalest, but I also know that quality control issues have dogged many of the brands "Flag Ship" models.

So it's hard for me to convince myself to abounded a perfectly capable bike so that I may invest twice the money on a first run bike from a brand with known quality issues for a fantasy of getting out of the city and searching for Adventure. Plus - I think the addition of a steering dampener as standard equipment is a major modification to the GS Line... and very telling.
Very smart move, BMW is infamous for making unannounced upgrades based on the beta pilots' test results. Don't let the comments from those with less patience get to you...
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:26 PM   #9990
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Soo...it has more to do with the fact that your wife isn't on board?
well, yeah.... pretty much.
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