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Old 08-20-2013, 11:30 AM   #10501
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If EU legislation requires both DRL and headlight to be on together, why is it that EU GSWs do not operate this way?
I explained that the DRL operates on its own (bright) without the headlamp, or in parking lamp mode (dim) alongside the headlamp.

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You can find plenty of pictures of EU model bikes with DRL on only and the left side controls clearly offer a headlight switch, unlike US model bikes.
The button you refer to is the DRL button (p14 of the non-US handbook), which allows the rider to manually choose between DRL only or headlamp + parking lamp, for example if the automatic headlamp sensor doesn't respond quickly enough when entering a tunnel etc.

However I've done more digging and you are correct that this button doesn't exist on US models - therefore the DRL only runs in its dim setting in your market alongside the headlamp (p14 of the US handbook). So, apologies for missing that distinction.

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Regarding US legislation on headlights being on full time on motorcycles....there is no such legislation, it is an industry agreement in the US.
You're splitting hairs here. Whether on a state or federal level, legislation is legislation and 26 states require daytime use of headlamps (here is a convenient checklist). Most motorcycle manufacturers aren't going to cater on a state-by-state level when running the headlamp is nevertheless legal in the states which do not have the requirement.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:42 AM   #10502
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Motorcycle headlights must be on ANYTIME, day or night in Florida while on public roadways, see F.S.S. 316.405.
I would imagine that's the case in most, if not all states.
I guess we're mixing up two issues here..I'm talking about how the bike is made..namely no headlight switch. Yes, many states require headlights on, but to my knowledge no state mandates the bike be made with no headlight switch. I have read that 22 states require you to have your headlights on all of the time on a motorcycle, but this is separate from the industry agreement in the US to only manufacture and sell bikes with no headlight switch so that headlights are on all of the time.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:53 AM   #10503
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I guess we're mixing up two issues here..I'm talking about how the bike is made..namely no headlight switch. Yes, many states require headlights on, but to my knowledge no state mandates the bike be made with no headlight switch. I have read that 22 states require you to have your headlights on all of the time on a motorcycle, but this is separate from the industry agreement in the US to only manufacture and sell bikes with no headlight switch so that headlights are on all of the time.
In your previous post, you stated that there is no US legislation requiring motorcycle headlights to be on full time. I was replying to that statement, that in fact, there is legislation requiring it.
Whether or not there is a headlight switch was not mentioned, or addressed.
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:04 PM   #10504
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In your previous post, you stated that there is no US legislation requiring motorcycle headlights to be on full time. I was replying to that statement, that in fact, there is legislation requiring it.
Whether or not there is a headlight switch was not mentioned, or addressed.
Yeap, I should have been more specific. There is no Federal legislation in the US requiring bikes to be built without a headlight switch (ie. lights on all the time). That is an industry agreement.
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:11 PM   #10505
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First to crash a new GSW:( ?

I hit a deer this Saturday, on a rural road in a state forest in PA. Fractured collar bone, scapula and ribs 2-5. Lucky I had my phone with me, and was able to call for help. A short helo flight later and I was in the ER. My full gear saved my ass from so much more pain. The ER staff could not believe it, no lacerations at all. Sitting on the side of the road alone trying not to pass out from the pain was the longest 30 mins of my life.

My beautiful red 2013 GSW was lying there next to me with 470 miles on the clock. :( Hopefully it can be repaired, as I think it just landed on its right side. My first venture into the off road world on a (very easy to ride smooth dirt road) and a GD deer decides to jump out in front of me. I wasnt doing more than 35 mph, it was the middle of the day as well. I've been riding for 17 years, never had a crash.

Oh well. Also, I installed the booster plug, and let me tell you, it makes the bike run very smooth. Worth every penny. Please pray for my bike. Calling the insurance co today.

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Get well..glad you are relatively ok...left turner took me out on my 09 GS last year..I am relatively ok also ..but its a bitch...09 GS totaled ...get well soon.
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:27 PM   #10506
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First to crash a new GSW:( ?

I hit a deer this Saturday, on a rural road in a state forest in PA. Fractured collar bone, scapula and ribs 2-5. Lucky I had my phone with me, and was able to call for help. A short helo flight later and I was in the ER. My full gear saved my ass from so much more pain. The ER staff could not believe it, no lacerations at all. Sitting on the side of the road alone trying not to pass out from the pain was the longest 30 mins of my life.

My beautiful red 2013 GSW was lying there next to me with 470 miles on the clock. :( Hopefully it can be repaired, as I think it just landed on its right side. My first venture into the off road world on a (very easy to ride smooth dirt road) and a GD deer decides to jump out in front of me. I wasnt doing more than 35 mph, it was the middle of the day as well. I've been riding for 17 years, never had a crash.

Oh well. Also, I installed the booster plug, and let me tell you, it makes the bike run very smooth. Worth every penny. Please pray for my bike. Calling the insurance co today.

:(
Oh no... But the important thing is that you came out of it with minimal injury - hope you heal up quickly.

Nevermind the bike, at the end of the day it's insured and replaceable.
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:48 PM   #10507
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First to crash a new GSW:( ?

I hit a deer this Saturday, on a rural road in a state forest in PA. Fractured collar bone, scapula and ribs 2-5. Lucky I had my phone with me, and was able to call for help. A short helo flight later and I was in the ER. My full gear saved my ass from so much more pain. The ER staff could not believe it, no lacerations at all. Sitting on the side of the road alone trying not to pass out from the pain was the longest 30 mins of my life.

My beautiful red 2013 GSW was lying there next to me with 470 miles on the clock. :( Hopefully it can be repaired, as I think it just landed on its right side. My first venture into the off road world on a (very easy to ride smooth dirt road) and a GD deer decides to jump out in front of me. I wasnt doing more than 35 mph, it was the middle of the day as well. I've been riding for 17 years, never had a crash.

Oh well. Also, I installed the booster plug, and let me tell you, it makes the bike run very smooth. Worth every penny. Please pray for my bike. Calling the insurance co today.

:(
Sounds like the deer over there are as unpredictable as those little black pigs in the Transkei, hope hitting it did less damage. Good luck on both your and the bike's recovery.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:02 PM   #10508
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First to crash a new GSW:( ?

I hit a deer this Saturday, on a rural road in a state forest in PA. Fractured collar bone, scapula and ribs 2-5. Lucky I had my phone with me, and was able to call for help. A short helo flight later and I was in the ER. My full gear saved my ass from so much more pain. The ER staff could not believe it, no lacerations at all. Sitting on the side of the road alone trying not to pass out from the pain was the longest 30 mins of my life.

My beautiful red 2013 GSW was lying there next to me with 470 miles on the clock. :( Hopefully it can be repaired, as I think it just landed on its right side. My first venture into the off road world on a (very easy to ride smooth dirt road) and a GD deer decides to jump out in front of me. I wasnt doing more than 35 mph, it was the middle of the day as well. I've been riding for 17 years, never had a crash.

Oh well. Also, I installed the booster plug, and let me tell you, it makes the bike run very smooth. Worth every penny. Please pray for my bike. Calling the insurance co today.

:(
Get well soon. Glad you were wearing protective gear.
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:03 PM   #10509
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Glad it wasn't worse, heal fast.
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:41 PM   #10510
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First to crash a new GSW:( ?

I hit a deer this Saturday, on a rural road in a state forest in PA. Fractured collar bone, scapula and ribs 2-5. Lucky I had my phone with me, and was able to call for help. A short helo flight later and I was in the ER. My full gear saved my ass from so much more pain. The ER staff could not believe it, no lacerations at all. Sitting on the side of the road alone trying not to pass out from the pain was the longest 30 mins of my life.

My beautiful red 2013 GSW was lying there next to me with 470 miles on the clock. :( Hopefully it can be repaired, as I think it just landed on its right side. My first venture into the off road world on a (very easy to ride smooth dirt road) and a GD deer decides to jump out in front of me. I wasnt doing more than 35 mph, it was the middle of the day as well. I've been riding for 17 years, never had a crash.

Oh well. Also, I installed the booster plug, and let me tell you, it makes the bike run very smooth. Worth every penny. Please pray for my bike. Calling the insurance co today.

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DUDE!

Glad you are ok!..bike can be replaced. Good luck with it though..
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:59 PM   #10511
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So sorry to hear of your get off. Glad you are OK. Seriously, bike can be fixed /repaired. But am glad you made it. I had a wreck long time ago (bad highside) and had no phone, isolated road and blood pouring out of my completely torn up face. Know the feeling. Still sweat when I think about it. Heal well dude and see you around.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:11 PM   #10512
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Damn that sucks. At least you weren't injured worse.

Hope that you bike is totaled. With a broken collar bone you won't be riding anytime soon and your insurance company should foot the full bill for a new 2014 that will be worth more money down the road. Assuming your booster plug and other farkles are not insured have a buddy or a fellow inmate go remove them from you bike.

I was riding some back roads today that had tall corn on both sides right up to the road. I should have slowed down. I was going a hell of a lot faster than 35mph.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:36 PM   #10513
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That had to be the longest half hour wait for the helo. Pray for a quick recovery and some (hopefully) painless nights rest.
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Old 08-21-2013, 02:35 AM   #10514
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@Steelerider:

Hope you don't suffer to much cause of your accident.

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If EU legislation requires both DRL and headlight to be on together, why is it that EU GSWs do not operate this way? You can find plenty of pictures of EU model bikes with DRL on only and the left side controls clearly offer a headlight switch, unlike US model bikes.

Regarding US legislation on headlights being on full time on motorcycles....there is no such legislation, it is an industry agreement in the US.
For the EU it is simple. The lights still are a national regulation. The BMW complies to the car regulation since the DRL is dimmed when used with the dipped beam and then considered as parking light (same as the audi DRL on a car).
But: the GS doesn't respect the EU laws (or the laws of the countries). Germany is actually integrating a change (as most other countries here) to incorporate the DRL in the law. At the moment bikes are still obliged to run with dipped beam at all times. No mention of DRL. But the bike is however homologated in the EU to run with the DRL even though the laws don't support it yet. But, not a single country considers it as a problem and no fines have been given. So in real life the DRL (both systems) are accepted.
And it is not as if they haven't seen it. In my country at least 90% of all new GSes are sold with the DRL and the GS outsells the second most popular bike 3 to 1 at the moment.
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:19 AM   #10515
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First to crash a new GSW:( ?

I hit a deer this Saturday, on a rural road in a state forest in PA. Fractured collar bone, scapula and ribs 2-5. Lucky I had my phone with me, and was able to call for help. A short helo flight later and I was in the ER. My full gear saved my ass from so much more pain. The ER staff could not believe it, no lacerations at all. Sitting on the side of the road alone trying not to pass out from the pain was the longest 30 mins of my life.

My beautiful red 2013 GSW was lying there next to me with 470 miles on the clock. :( Hopefully it can be repaired, as I think it just landed on its right side. My first venture into the off road world on a (very easy to ride smooth dirt road) and a GD deer decides to jump out in front of me. I wasnt doing more than 35 mph, it was the middle of the day as well. I've been riding for 17 years, never had a crash.

Oh well. Also, I installed the booster plug, and let me tell you, it makes the bike run very smooth. Worth every penny. Please pray for my bike. Calling the insurance co today.

:(
Damn dude. So sorry to hear that. Glad you didn't get too messed up. Let me know when the bike gets fixed and I'll come up and ride with you.

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