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Old 12-28-2011, 05:26 PM   #1066
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I'm refering to the picture Spoke reposted, not the first ones in the thread, of course
Oh, I thought you meant something new. GB posted those about 3 pages pack.
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Old 12-28-2011, 05:45 PM   #1067
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From http://forums.pelicanparts.com/bmw-r...oxer-gs-3.html





My favorite watercooled GS

Sorry...I couldn't resist.
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Old 12-28-2011, 05:58 PM   #1068
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Someone care to teach us about the thermical properties of oil vs water?[TaSK]
"Thermical"? Now that's comical.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:27 PM   #1069
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Can someone tell me where the radiators are on this 'waterhead'?? I'm kind of interested in Tagesk's hypothesis.

Also, here's a good comparison for how far upward the cylinders have been relocated-at least on the test mules.

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Old 12-28-2011, 06:31 PM   #1070
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Someone care to teach us about the thermical properties of oil vs water?

[TaSK]
FWIW it was easy to find. Water transfer heat much better than oil.

The official definition of Thermal Conductivity is Watts/ meter- Kelvin

Air is .025 very poor...house insulation

Mineral oil .138 5 times better but still poor....not sure how motor oil relates to this type of oil

Water .6 again 4+ time better

Aluminum 120 to 180 depending on what alloy a whole lot better
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:02 PM   #1071
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Photochop or real?

Rumored ride by wire throttle, new generation of adjustable suspension, more advanced than ESA... Liquid cooling with full water jackets... definitely not oil only cooling.
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:09 PM   #1072
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Photochop or real?

Rumored ride by wire throttle, new generation of adjustable suspension, more advanced than ESA... Liquid cooling with full water jackets... definitely not oil only cooling.
I like it, looks good.
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:21 PM   #1073
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Photochop or real?

Rumored ride by wire throttle, new generation of adjustable suspension, more advanced than ESA... Liquid cooling with full water jackets... definitely not oil only cooling.
It is very obviously a photoshop. Question is, how close to real is it? I'm not convinced that it is all that close.

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Old 12-28-2011, 07:28 PM   #1074
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Can someone tell me where the radiators are on this 'waterhead'?? I'm kind of interested in Tagesk's hypothesis.
Looks like twin radiators similar to the K1200RS. Still an oil cooler under the headlight, maybe smaller than the hexhead/camhead?
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:52 PM   #1075
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Timing is everything!

I currently ride a Tiger 1050 and have an itch to change. In all honesty the Tiger is a great bike but the new 1200 Explorer Tiger won't be out till summer. There will be little to no aftermarket farkles for some time. There are no reviews or pricing to date. I looked at theTenere and it seems heavy. I suspect both the Tiger and Tenere will lose value quickly. So I started looking at a new 1200GS. Got past the final drive issues mentally. Then I hear about a new liquid cooled GS. Damn. To top that off I am taking a long trip in June. I am in my mid 60s and most likely this will be my last bike due to progressive neuropathy in my legs. I guess I will spring for the GS in a couple of months unless the liquid cooled model will be available this summer some time. When does BMW usually bring out their new models just in case?
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:17 PM   #1076
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Just like the vast majority of Land/Range Rovers and other SUV's clogging the freeway.
Yep, as hillbillypolack (now that doesn't sound PC to say...) already mused, our bike might very well be the SUV of motorbikes. Same seat height, anyways.

I assume they dumped the oil cooling circuit completely; the radiator might just be in place of the old oil cooler.

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Old 12-28-2011, 09:46 PM   #1077
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When does BMW usually bring out their new models just in case?
Depends on how bad they want to screw their dealers on existing stock...




BTW, agreed on your conclusions regarding the new big Triumph and the S10.
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:42 AM   #1078
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Can someone tell me where the radiators are on this 'waterhead'?? I'm kind of interested in Tagesk's hypothesis.

Also, here's a good comparison for how far upward the cylinders have been relocated-at least on the test mules.

My guess is that those triangular frames above the cylinder heads are supports or guards for the radiatiors, one each side of the telelever shock or even behind the shock. I reckon the tank is wider, like the 1200GSA to fit the fuel in. This add point for styling as bringing the standard GS and GSA closer together styling wise.

The engine finning may still provide some cooling to the engine. Water is an excellent conductor of heat, much better than oil. I always understood that oil coolers primarily served to protect the oil itself (keeping it within its optimum operating range and preventing it from deteriorating due to excessive heat).
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:45 AM   #1079
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In looking at these pictures I do not understand why the exhaust pipe needs to be bent forward and then loop around back again. Seems needless bends, length weight. The place meant of the foot peg, brake or shifter seem far enough back so there would be not interference. Might it be a heat thing?

My guess, vote also be for the large wide tank thing is a combo radiator ducting, air box, with the fuel tank and battery under the seat and maybe further back like the F800s. The picture sure do make that tank/radiator thing wide...nearly as wide as the cylinders.

PS in the previous post I was not taking a shot at the GSA...just some fun at the parking lot ballerinas tip toeing around.
Exhausts usually have to be a certain length for tuning purposes, most radically noticable in two strokes.
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Old 12-29-2011, 05:01 AM   #1080
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It is very obviously a photoshop. Question is, how close to real is it? I'm not convinced that it is all that close.

Jim
no labeling on the brake calipers is one give away, plus the exhaust header's bend does not match the ones on the test mules. That's not likely to change.
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