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Old 01-06-2012, 04:13 PM   #1291
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ESA is not active suspension. It's pre-programmed preload and damping. The values BMW picker are just about guaranteed to be wrong for me on any setting. I want something I can tune for the roads and way I ride, not some generic setting which may be right for some hypothetical rider on whatever BMW thinks is an average road.
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Old 01-06-2012, 04:35 PM   #1292
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ESA is not active suspension. It's pre-programmed preload and damping. The values BMW picker are just about guaranteed to be wrong for me on any setting. I want something I can tune for the roads and way I ride, not some generic setting which may be right for some hypothetical rider on whatever BMW thinks is an average road.
Yes, I'm not a fan of ESA either, and if I was getting a new 2012 bike, I'd opt out for it and add aftermarket. However, I'm just saying with the 2013 bike, BMW is going to try a newer "active" version of ESA, or at least that's the rumor. I would definitely like to see something with standard settings, that you could override and set to whatever you want. Just like the Electronic Ohlins on the Ducati Multi-Stroodel. Of course, knowing BMW they will probably lock down the settings as "der fatherland knows best".
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Old 01-06-2012, 04:46 PM   #1293
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My fears, exactly.
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:09 PM   #1294
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Yes, I'm not a fan of ESA either, and if I was getting a new 2012 bike, I'd opt out for it and add aftermarket. However, I'm just saying with the 2013 bike, BMW is going to try a newer "active" version of ESA, or at least that's the rumor. I would definitely like to see something with standard settings, that you could override and set to whatever you want. Just like the Electronic Ohlins on the Ducati Multi-Stroodel. Of course, knowing BMW they will probably lock down the settings as "der fatherland knows best".
The latest "MOTORRAD" article referred to this as the "active" part connecting what?
Do you guys know how this works and why the movement from the rear swing-arm needs to be connected to this?


http://www.motorradonline.de/de/heft...0-gs-lc/399136

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Old 01-06-2012, 06:03 PM   #1295
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I agree

and the R1200GS is a very nice bike in fact the suspension and the frame are almost identical to the newer bike, In some ways and surprising the bike is very similar to the R1200GS probably they did not want to stray too far from their golden egg design. The dash is modern maybe in my opinion too modern for running across a desert in a 3rd world country. Im not worried about this bike I think in some ways it the final step to really modernize the bigger GS motorcycle,but it missing everything it once was. i have my dream bike the R1200GS. The next bike will be either Multistrada Ducati 1198cc or the BMW GT i don't like the chrome on the GTL and the GT suppose to have a little less aggressive sitting position. In the end it splitting hairs ill still be on a GS cruising for miles and miles and camping out under the stars in my view this is my dream bike not the new GS.

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Old 01-06-2012, 06:17 PM   #1296
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2011 isn't going to drop to 10k in 2013

Maybe 15k iwhat will happen is it will take 5 years to do that just like the prior model depreciated to 10k 1150ccGS,, I don't care I'm keeping my R1200GS it the last air cooled it nice in my collection of motorcycles for the rest of my life that will keep.
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:44 PM   #1297
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Thats importain to know

YEs the first GS boxer was 798cc and that was the big GS. don't be surprised with the liquid cooled and a HP moving up 20 plus percent. do you need hell no but it is a competition.
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:47 PM   #1298
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Thats my next bike.

Thats my next bike.
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:52 PM   #1299
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the piston head looks upside down

IT appears it not as pretty with as the 1200GS.
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:54 PM   #1300
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YEs the first GS boxer was 798cc and that was the big GS. don't be surprised with the liquid cooled and a HP moving up 20 plus percent. do you need hell no but it is a competition.
It's strange the GS grew bigger and bigger, isn't it?
With cars the engine size is no longer important with downsizing happening more and more.
Weight goes up because of safety stuff but you could argue there could be room for an 800cc Boxer in the lineup
once the big GS get's to 1400cc what will happen...
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:10 PM   #1301
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Nice - to my eye better than the 1200. Closer to the 1150 proportions (at least from that angle).
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:21 PM   #1302
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Nice - to my eye better than the 1200. Closer to the 1150 proportions (at least from that angle).
Anything that gets rid of that shiny boomerang trim they added to the front panels in '08 looks better to my eye.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:02 PM   #1303
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Say you have a PC or Mac, and it's hooked to a printer via a USB cable. When you print a document, do you imagine that the USB interface did the printing? Or, are you clear that the printer did the work, and the USB interface merely carried data?

That's how a CAN interface works. It doesn't turn on a headlight, any more than it prints a document. The CAN interface merely carries data to and from complex devices. The CAN interface is unaware of the data it's carrying. The CAN interface is no more aware of what type of data it's sending than a USB interface is.




The smart money says that the explanation will prove pointless. You know, because everybody knows that the CAN interface powers and controls everything.
BMW wastes the potential of the CAN by transmitting such mundane information. Think of what telephone lines have carried, news of war, peace, birth and death. What's BMW put on it, headlight condition, turn signals etc. How maudlin.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:16 PM   #1304
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The latest "MOTORRAD" article referred to this as the "active" part connecting what?
Do you guys know how this works and why the movement from the rear swing-arm needs to be connected to this?
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Probably spring travel sensor. Here's a link to a pretty good explanation of what bmw is up to:

http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-active-mot...-damper/19113/
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:16 PM   #1305
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Probably spring travel sensor. Here's a link to a pretty good explanation of what bmw is up to:

http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-active-mot...-damper/19113/
Cool! "Semi-Active" suspension as "the next logical step forward from the existing ESA II electrically adjustable suspension".

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/press...hmentId=171183



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