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Old 01-22-2012, 03:17 PM   #1411
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FWIW the word I got at the NYC MC show was 2014 model year for the water boxer. Not necessarily the GS.
Wait, wait, don't tell me. The person who told you this was a dealer. And what's the dealer's prime directive? Selling the inventory he/she has.
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Old 01-22-2012, 03:46 PM   #1412
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Wait, wait, don't tell me. The person who told you this was a dealer. And what's the dealer's prime directive? Selling the inventory he/she has.
Nope Not a dealer but one of the factory guys.....not that it make a big difference. BTW They will likely continue to keep making the current bikes for a while. My guess the water head will be in a street (not GS) version first. This is where the more HP will give them the most competitive advantage. But we will all have to wait and see.
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Old 01-22-2012, 03:55 PM   #1413
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Nope Not a dealer but one of the factory guys.....not that it make a big difference. BTW They will likely continue to keep making the current bikes for a while. My guess the water head will be in a street (not GS) version first. This is where the more HP will give them the most competitive advantage. But we will all have to wait and see.
Didn't the hex head make its first appearance in the GS, followed by the RT, ST, etc?
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Old 01-22-2012, 04:16 PM   #1414
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The new K16's were introduced at the shows, etc., in late 2010. Pre-ordering began late 2010/early 2011 for spring 2011 delivery as "2012" models.

If the water boxers follow the same pattern, what's introduced this fall (2012) will be available in mid 2013 as 2014 models.
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Old 01-22-2012, 04:32 PM   #1415
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Didn't the hex head make its first appearance in the GS, followed by the RT, ST, etc?
Agree, I'm sure they'll put that engine in the GS first, why would BMW launch all these nice pictures just before
Christmas when people were thinking about new toys, or do you think those bikes just happen to ran into
that shocked spy photographer?
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Old 01-22-2012, 07:28 PM   #1416
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MOTORRAD writes the gearbox comes from China, Getrag does not want to make motorcycle gearboxes anymore. There might be some other parts as well they buy in China in the future.
You may be surprised to know that China will be an issue for some. BMW, especially the GS/Boxer engines and the Berlin connection is kind of important.
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Old 01-22-2012, 08:23 PM   #1417
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That applies for me, too.

So far only the cast wheels, the battery and may be a few washers came from China.
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:26 PM   #1418
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That applies for me, too.

So far only the cast wheels, the battery and may be a few washers came from China.
Let's face it, most of us wouldn't post her without "Made in China", Tapatalk via iPhone, iPad.. :-)
Theses days we benefit a lot from "Engineered in Germany" or "Made by BMW" but production moves around the globe, at least most of the value-ad happens in Germany...and the well paying jobs stay there as well, at least for now.
Globalization is nothing new and living in Vancouver you better know some Mandarin and my kids for sure compete with a huge and hungry Chinese population but still, Saturday is German class again...
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:12 AM   #1419
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After many years working in China all I can say is, all my hope is that this is not the future. For mankind.

But now lets get back to the 1250 LC.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:07 AM   #1420
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Agree, I'm sure they'll put that engine in the GS first, why would BMW launch all these nice pictures just before
Christmas when people were thinking about new toys, or do you think those bikes just happen to ran into
that shocked spy photographer?
While that could be the case. I think that is not likely.

This is a totally new engine and transmission (chinese???) package. Would it make sense to suffer the potential teething problems with their biggest sales model...the cash cow. If they put it in an RS version(sporty) more HP they would get reasonable sales and the Public Relations exposure. More slowly ramp their production line, get customer miles, etc. They could charge a premium price too. My guess the sequence would be RS, RT, GS and R last as that is the low price model.

They did this when the R1100 engine came out...the last really big change in engine and transmission.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:22 AM   #1421
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My guess the sequence would be RS, RT, GS and R last as that is the low price model.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:31 AM   #1422
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:36 AM   #1423
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:00 AM   #1424
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While that could be the case. I think that is not likely.

This is a totally new engine and transmission (chinese???) package. Would it make sense to suffer the potential teething problems with their biggest sales model...the cash cow. If they put it in an RS version(sporty) more HP they would get reasonable sales and the Public Relations exposure. More slowly ramp their production line, get customer miles, etc. They could charge a premium price too. My guess the sequence would be RS, RT, GS and R last as that is the low price model.

They did this when the R1100 engine came out...the last really big change in engine and transmission.
When the R1100RS came out in 1994, that *was* the flagship model. The R100GS and GS-PDs were pink elephants. I doubt that BMW had an inkling that the oilhead GS would become the success that it has. If they fear teething problems, all the more reason to suss out any issues pre-release. If there are issues, they'll quietly deny them while working on fixes straight along. The reason to bring the new drivetrain out in the biggest seller is that it is the biggest seller: Biggest splash, biggest access to the customer base, biggest punch in the mouth to the competition. Same reason the hexhead and camhead arrived in GS clothes first.

There will certainly be an RT model, for the full-boat touring bunch that don't go to the K16, as well as authority sales. If there's the suspected performance headroom, a velvet-hammer RS may well follow. Hard to say about an R model, as those sales are relatively small, and it might be hard to build one and bring it in at an acceptable price point. So, as far as that being the last iteration, on that I'd agree with you.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:21 AM   #1425
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There will certainly be an RT model, for the full-boat touring bunch that don't go to the K16, as well as authority sales. If there's the suspected performance headroom, a velvet-hammer RS may well follow. Hard to say about an R model, as those sales are relatively small, and it might be hard to build one and bring it in at an acceptable price point. So, as far as that being the last iteration, on that I'd agree with you.
I would love a chance to go back to an RS. Always thought the R100RS we had was the greatest bike ever for it's time.
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