Hacking a 2010 1200 Super Tenere

[Brendan J]

Originally Posted by beys

There is minimum one in the AIA. check the pics of TT 2009!

greets

Can you please explain a bit more don't know what your talking about

[Clancy]

Originally Posted by TouringDave

Hey Alex, if the old boy gives you too much grief ask him if he is doing the Scrapheap Challenge.

Been there, done that. But we didn't need back up vehicles and trailers.
Are you actually going on this ride Dave

[TouringDave]

Originally Posted by Clancy

Been there, done that. But we didn't need back up vehicles and trailers.
Are you actually going on this ride Dave

ha........ha........ha.........Hi Neil

[nevgriff64]

Really looking forward to this project, Brendan..

[pops]

[beys]

Originally Posted by Brendan J

Can you please explain a bit more don't know what your talking about

This was adressed to winterbiker, who wrote that there was not SuperTenere hacked in Germany, but there was hacked minimum one, which appeared at the Tauerntreffen (TT), a wintermeeting in Austria in 2009, but this was a 750!
That you got the new 1200, I read in your signature only after having posted.

I'm sorry about that!

greets
beys

[Brendan J]

Originally Posted by beys

This was adressed to winterbiker, who wrote that there was not SuperTenere hacked in Germany, but there was hacked minimum one, which appeared at the Tauerntreffen (TT), a wintermeeting in Austria in 2009, but this was a 750!
That you got the new 1200, I read in your signature only after having posted.

I'm sorry about that!

greets
beys

No thats ok I was a bit worried that someone had beat me !!!

[Brendan J]

Well I finally took possesion of the sidecar its self that I am fitting to the bike today so some tinkering on the chair was well due. I'm now in the process of organizing new lights to make it road worthy once its all joined together.
I would also like to gain some extra wheel travel, in standard trim it is a bit light on with suspension travel. I have pulled out the swingarm out of the chassis to check it all. Can anyone tell me if I can get away with moving the swingarm down a couple of teeth on the torsion bar spline to gain the extra travel. The only problem that worries me is there seems to be a bit of sloppy movement on the torsion bar splines, everything appears to be ok on the torsion bar and on the wheel side female spline, its a bit hard to tell if the other end is ok. Is this normal on the CJ setup ? I was think of adding a plain shock absorber to help control the swingarm better, would this be a wise move ?

[brstar]

Hmm yes which way to go.
There is a spring maker in Perth I believe.
I was thinking of of getting a price for them to make a better quality and perhaps a longer spring to give more rotation of the swingarm.
Currently there is only 50mm (2") of travel.
If I change the adjustable lower rear mount from an internal fit to an external fit and extend the tube that the spring sits in I could get another 200-250mm in spring length.
Don't know how much travel I could get.
Would have to ask the experts.
Of course if we just toss the spring it would be easy to mount a normal shock.
For me initionally it would be the Wee standard rear shock.
The other thing that would be the go is a swaybar to control the increase in roll.
Stock spring is 600mm long.
It is not needed to locate the swing arm.
How much travel has the Yam got?
The Wee is 150mm.
Perhaps a batch of springs and swaybars?
Cheers Bruce

[Brendan J]

Bruce the Yam has 190mm both ends. 2 inches of travel on the chair just aint gunna cut it for what I wanna use it for. I'm not real clued up on torsion bar suspension systems I know how they work in theory but not on what their limitations are for given lengths of the spring/rods. I may have a chat with some spring makers over here and see if they can shed some light on the problem. A sway bar has also been on my mind as well but getting it fitted to the bike is of a greater concern at the moment.

[brstar]

Brendan reckon a grease nipple somewhere there would be good for the plain steel bush as well.
Check the difference in alignment between the swingarm bush and the axle.
Seems to be a few degrees diference.
Makes the chair wheel lean towards the bike.
Not sure how normal that is or the reason as such though I have a theory.
I may straighten mine a bit as it looks daggy.
Also if we put real suspension on the axle would we need the leaf springs on the body? I think maybe not and go down to just a rubber bush arraingment?
For a wheel on mine I have a matching Wee front.
But if you could match your rear it may help increase range with your greater HP. I:E swap part way through a trip.
I hope to go with a car tyre as there are some narrower 17" ones at the vintage place.
Cheers Bruce

[Brendan J]

I will have a look at that as well as there is a bit of movement with the arm when its bolted in.
I just pulled apart all the axle/swingarm arrangement cleaned it out and regreased it and it has taken some of the slop out of it. In regards to grease nipples , they could be fitted bare in mind that it is not the outer steel sleave that moves but the inner. You would need 2 holes about 5/16 in diameter would need to be drilled in the outer sleeve and in alignment with the grease nipples. I was suprised as to how easy it all came apart I was worried that inner sleeve was gunna be a PITA to get out, but it gave little resistance.

In regard to removing the leaf springs, I was looking at the idea of using the Ural rubber cones underneath it to do away the the leaf springs how much of a viable idea this is I don't know haven't priced them up yet of the other parts required to fit them.

I was looking at fitting another Tenere rear wheel but this is a very expensive idea as a hub alone is excess of $500 retail and the rim is about $700 retail. I was toying with also using another front wheel but either way its going to be expensive. I have also being thinking of fitting a disc brake on the chair as well. How I'm going to do this is somewhat of a mystery just yet as I have to work out how to intergrate it with the bikes combined braking and ABS systems.

[Brendan J]

Found this nifty little torsion bar rate calculator

http://www.ac-parts.co.uk/utilities/torsionbars.html

Going longer will only soften the rate without increasing OD of the bar.

[brstar]

167 ft lbs .

But how many degrees of rotation can we get??

[Brendan J]

I came up with about 320-380lb/ft with my measurements ? Length makes a big difference even 100mm really makes a big jump. Rotation is still a mystery ? Maybe some one on here can tell us !!! ???