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Old 12-17-2012, 03:01 PM   #76
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No sir, I am not an idiot. I am a doctor.
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Groucho Marx would have a field day with that comment.

My father had a doctorate. A Juris Doctorate. He always joked that he was perfectly qualified to examine anyone's juris upon request.

One of you guys mentioned HIV and other infections. You do realize that the incidence of AIDS is much, much lower in Mexico than it is in the USA, don't you?

And tell us. What are the stats on post operative infections in US hospitals? From what I have seen and heard lately it's enormous.

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Old 12-17-2012, 03:06 PM   #77
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Now let's see a dentist anywhere fix that!

If he will pay for the tequila I will bring along my multitool and Dremel and we can fix him up on some bar counter around Veracruz. You handle the wood carving and I'll glue it in place. OK Mike?
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:13 PM   #78
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Not at all. I just have never seen any from Mexico or Central America that I would put in my own mouth. I tell you this as a dentist that has replaced MANY "great high quality" foreign restorations due to the fact that they were very shoddy in many ways (poor margins, substandard cements, substandard porcelains, poorly designed metal substructures, poor occlusal design/relationships, open contacts, tissue impingement, etc to name a few); you have to be extremely judicious in your choice of foreign dentists. In many cases there is no one to hold them to any standards. Yes, there are bad ones here too. There is just much better oversight so your odds are better here. Doctor means more here than in many places. Some foreign "dentists" are not doctors.
Oh yes, it is inexpensive alright. It's also cheap.
Caveat Emptor.
BS and you know it.
My wife is a graduate specialist in orthodontics and dentistry and has practiced here for more than 25 years as well as having updated procedures training in the USA and Canada. Her office is spotless, she has never had a complaint from local or foreign patients and she holds herself to the highest standards. It's called "pride in her work" and not gouging patients in order to play golf on Wednesdays and Saturdays. "Doctor means more hear than many places", my arse.

Pirate, c'mon down and see the office some time. You can watch my wife whack me in the head with that sprocket when we take it in after having had a few. LOL!
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:30 PM   #79
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An American dentist actually told me he wouldn't have dental work done in France or Switzerland. That came up as we were discussing a business trip I had planned. I concluded he was arrogant.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:30 PM   #80
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BS and you know it.
My wife is a graduate specialist in orthodontics and dentistry and has practiced here for more than 25 years as well as having updated procedures training in the USA and Canada. Her office is spotless, she has never had a complaint from local or foreign patients and she holds herself to the highest standards. It's called "pride in her work" and not gouging patients in order to play golf on Wednesdays and Saturdays. "Doctor means more hear than many places", my arse.

Pirate, c'mon down and see the office some time. You can watch my wife whack me in the head with that sprocket when we take it in after having had a few. LOL!
Geez man, why so sensitive? What is it about what I said that disagrees with your post?
Please re-read my post. I think you may have assumed I said things I didn't and didn't say things I did.
By the way, I don't drive a Porsche or play golf. I don't gouge people either. If anything, quite the opposite.
I am sure your wife is first rate and stands out from the crowd. I meant no disrespect to those foreign dentists that practice in an exemplary fashion.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:33 PM   #81
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An American dentist actually told me he wouldn't have dental work done in France or Switzerland. That came up as we were discussing a business trip I had planned. I concluded he was arrogant.
I have never seen first hand any French dentistry so I cannot comment with any experience on that. If their dentistry is half as good as their wine, cheese, and art I am sure it is excellent. Some of the most beautiful and flawless dentistry I have ever seen has been done in Switzerland.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:41 PM   #82
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Well, if I am out of order and offended you I will apologize. However, the line about "Doctor means more here than many places" just rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe I am having a bad day.
There are some very good dentists and doctors here. In fact, many of the doctors have done internships in the USA and prefer to practice here. Yes, their credentials are legit. Their prices reflect the local market. A bottle of Coca-cola here (poor example when addressing dentistry, I know, but bear with me) costs less than in the USA but it is a quality product produced locally. Things are priced for the local market and not overpriced. The way I see it to be, in my opinion.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:54 PM   #83
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BS and you know it.
My wife is a graduate specialist in orthodontics and dentistry and has practiced here for more than 25 years as well as having updated procedures training in the USA and Canada. Her office is spotless, she has never had a complaint from local or foreign patients and she holds herself to the highest standards. It's called "pride in her work" and not gouging patients in order to play golf on Wednesdays and Saturdays.

Oh ... that hurts!

As a kid I had braces. I well remember being on vacation with my parents and some pompous orthodondist was bragging about how much better than he was than the Kentucky country MD that my dad had doing my braces.

Then, not too many years ago, I had a referral to a dental surgeon for removal of my wisdom teeth. I gave the SOB something like $80 to examine my teeth but decided not to have him do the work because he claimed to be great technically but was such a humorless jackass that I didn't trust him. I did finally have them taken out a few years later by someone else.

So here we go again. We have supposed MDs and dentists and what-have-you who criticize another nation and another person's dental work without ever actually seeing this firsthand. The comments about the sterilizer equipment was telling - you guys brag about your nation's standards but admit that you don't know what the standards in Mexico are yet to your way of thinking they cannot be as good as yours.

Just FYI Mexico isn't a 3rd world nation. It's a developing nation and there are tremendous differences.

And while the experience in Nuevo Progreso might be considered to be a bit rural, about like going to Burgaw, Kentucky decades ago when they used to do discount dentures there when I was a kid, if you go to a city like Monterrey or Reynosa for dental or medical care you are likely to find modern European techniques and such.

And yes Doc, several dentists in the Rio Grande Valley advertise that they have practices both in Mexico and in the USA.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:57 PM   #84
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Well, if I am out of order and offended you I will apologize. However, the line about "Doctor means more here than many places" just rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe I am having a bad day.
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You did fine Mike. I am not going to beat the other guys to death, but I personally resent the attitudes of "I am a doctor and you are not". That is part of what has gotten the US medical and dental industry in so much trouble and it's coming back to bite them in the ass in a big way.

That, and making sweeping judgments about Mexico by people that have a very limited to non-existent understanding of what goes on there.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:07 PM   #85
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Well, if I am out of order and offended you I will apologize. However, the line about "Doctor means more here than many places" just rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe I am having a bad day.
There are some very good dentists and doctors here. In fact, many of the doctors have done internships in the USA and prefer to practice here. Yes, their credentials are legit. Their prices reflect the local market. A bottle of Coca-cola here (poor example when addressing dentistry, I know, but bear with me) costs less than in the USA but it is a quality product produced locally. Things are priced for the local market and not overpriced. The way I see it to be, in my opinion.
No offense taken. I think the Coca Cola in Mexico is better than here! (I know, I shouldn't drink it...)
Yes, prices reflect the local market and are largely based on the cost of doing business, which is obscenely higher in the USA. It does not mean we have a higher standard of living than doctors elsewhere. Again, it's relative to the cost of living.
As far as "doctor" meaning more here than in many places - what I meant is that in order to have a license to practice here the requirements are more stringently enforced.
I am sure we can all agree that it is probably easier for a not-so good dentist to practice in Mexico than it is here. That by no means negates the fact that there are also some good ones there. As I said, odds are better here simply because of the oversight.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:19 PM   #86
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You did fine Mike. I am not going to beat the other guys to death, but I personally resent the attitudes of "I am a doctor and you are not". That is part of what has gotten the US medical and dental industry in so much trouble and it's coming back to bite them in the ass in a big way.

That, and making sweeping judgments about Mexico by people that have a very limited to non-existent understanding of what goes on there.
I have no attitude, I do have knowledge.
You continue to go to your "qualified" dentist. Don't bother coming to my grave, you're going to need the gas money to have that dental work redone.
I don't know what you mean about something biting us in the ass. The system, while not perfect, seems to work pretty well.
I never made any sweeping judgements about Mexico, I really like the place and the people and the food. The tequila isn't bad either! All I said is that I have fixed a lot of really bad dentistry that was done there.
Please, continue having your inexpensive and cheap dentistry done there. Given your attitude toward American dentists, I am sure none of us could possibly measure up to your elite standards. When things go haywire, I hope you will take the time to find a good one. They are there.
I'm out.
Merry Christmas everyone!
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:19 PM   #87
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I have never seen first hand any French dentistry so I cannot comment with any experience on that. If their dentistry is half as good as their wine, cheese, and art I am sure it is excellent. Some of the most beautiful and flawless dentistry I have ever seen has been done in Switzerland.

It was discussed recently that many French cheeses are outlawed in the USA because they are not pasteurized, a huge irony since Pasteur was French.

Anyway, one thing that I discovered when traveling in Mexico is that Mexico does many things differently, yet they do it well. If they thought they had a dental hygiene problem I can assure y'all that they would have looked to the USA and Europe for advice, because they ain't naive down there.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:33 PM   #88
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I have no attitude, I do have knowledge.
I have knowledge too. So do my fellow travelers. You keep discounting that.


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You continue to go to your "qualified" dentist. Don't bother coming to my grave, you're going to need the gas money to have that dental work redone.

You missed two points. #1, my dentist was just as qualified as you are if she has a license in the USA (offhand I cannot remember if it was her or her sister that practiced in McAllen as well).

#2, If my dental work lasts another 35 years then I will be about 91. At that point in the game I suspect that I will have outlived you, and with the way things are going you probably will have kicked the bucket due to an abscessed tooth or some such.

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Please, continue having your inexpensive and cheap dentistry done there. Given your attitude toward American dentists, I am sure none of us could possibly measure up to your elite standards. When things go haywire, I hope you will take the time to find a good one. They are there.

Well ... I have met my share of pompous US dentists and MDs, let's put it that-a-way. I make a point to go to the ones that aren't pompous.

My Mexican dental work looks good, causes no pain, seems to be just as sturdy as the work that I had done in the USA, and since you brought it up I think that she finally got that lingering infection under control that US dentists were never able to manage.

What is there not to like?

I am lucky. All things being equal I have good genetics. I know plenty of guys my age who have had to have much more extensive dental work done than me. But I have never had anyone say anything particularly bad about Mexican dental work, in fact most people brag about it.

Merry X-mas.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:39 PM   #89
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I spent 32 years selling pharmaceuticals for two major companies; one of which was Swiss. I have called on and discussed medicine, pharmacy products, and a million other topics with MD's, DO's, PA's, NP's, DMD's, DDS's and other highly credentialed professionals, many of which were born in other countries and educated, and trained in other countries. I don't like to generalize, but if there was a common thread, it was they thought medicine was practiced better in the US.
I have been able to travel a lot in other countries, and one of my observations was that people were less obese and generally looked healthier in Europe and Japan. I am not convinced that medicine is better here. The United States is too bogged down in medical malpractice issues and that is what drives up most of our prices, for care and for pharmaceuticals. Other countries are not as burdened by the preditory legal profession and thus can put more emphasis on progressive care.
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Have not yet had any dental work done down here but I'm about to get some work done, likely in Naco.

Gr8grins, as far as dentists being held to a higher standard in the US, I have heard that the first tenet of the dentist association official code of conduct is that you will never say any thing bad about another dentist in the association. Is this true? If so, this would seem to undercut the "held to a higher standard" claim.

I have had great dental work done in the US and really bad work done as well. How low does the higher standard in the US start?
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