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Old 10-07-2013, 05:37 PM   #196
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Had a nice sport bike. Sold it after I bought the GT.
Have been very pleased with this scoot.
I'm a member of that club too. I really don't know if I'll get another motorcycle. Although I chose a Honda Reflex 250 over my sportbikes.
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:23 PM   #197
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Finally got a chance to get my GTi out on the highway for an extended high speed ride. Rode it 100 miles, of which 80 was on the highway and freeway (posted 65 & 75mph). This machine really goes! I even had a 20 knot crosswind changing to a headwind for most of the ride. Very comfortable cruising at these speeds and higher. Every time I ride it I am further impressed with it! What a great scoot.
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:52 PM   #198
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From the info I have seen, the GT200i is the same as the new GT300i except for the engine which is 205cc. Even the weights are listed as the same. It would make more sense to buy the 300.

As for buying a motorcycle, it is hard to directly compare a scooter to a motorcycle. Most motorcycles are not nearly as convenient or practical as a scooter although they do offer more performance. I'm not sure why you would consider a sportster more capable than a 300cc scooter. Except for the fact that the sportster has a little more power, I don't see how it is any more capable. I would by a new GT300i or DT300 over a new 1200 sportster even if they were priced the same.
I have to agree with you on that. The GTi is a very nice scooter and if I needed an urban commuter the 200 which is all we have in Canada; would be high on my list. It fits me; just, the SYM HD 200, not even close.

For longer rides, the lack of a windshield and the underseat tank would be a pain along with that skinny hard little seat, but for local commuting I wouldn't care.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:04 AM   #199
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I haven't really taken a good look at that rear brake, but will when time permits. My MPG is staying in the mid 60's, not as good as Kentucky gets and he's running faster speeds than I normally ride. Thanks for all the input guys, like the fact that it will hammer the BV300. Wonder how the BV350 would stand up to the GTi?
In a heads up drag race or roll on the BV350 and GTi 300 are evenly matched.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:08 AM   #200
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In a heads up drag race or roll on the BV350 and GTi 300 are evenly matched.
Probably only up to a certain point.

I've ridden both and subjectively the BV feels faster and has a better launch
thanks to that great clutch (which all scooters should have). Did you race them
side by side?

I figured they'd be close up to around 60mph, but extra 5hp on the BV has
got to come into play at some point.
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:58 AM   #201
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Probably only up to a certain point.

I've ridden both and subjectively the BV feels faster and has a better launch
thanks to that great clutch (which all scooters should have). Did you race them
side by side?

I figured they'd be close up to around 60mph, but extra 5hp on the BV has
got to come into play at some point.
Head to head several times. They are so close. The GTi clutch is about as quick as the wet clutch in the BV.

The GTi can stay with the BV500 too up to about 45 then you see tai lights on the 500 as it steadily pulls away.
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Old 11-10-2013, 04:16 AM   #202
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The GTi can stay with the BV500 too up to about 45 then you see tai lights on the 500 as it steadily pulls away.
That can be fixed with 14gr Dr Pulley sliders.
Been there, done that.

My half-sister had a BV500 (the 492cc cruiser version).
After I droped in 14gr sliders in my DT300 (which is heavier then the
People by around 40lbs), it was faster only above 70mph!
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Old 11-10-2013, 04:29 PM   #203
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That can be fixed with 14gr Dr Pulley sliders.
Been there, done that.

My half-sister had a BV500 (the 492cc cruiser version).
After I droped in 14gr sliders in my DT300 (which is heavier then the
People by around 40lbs), it was faster only above 70mph!
Any impact on fuel economy?
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:36 PM   #204
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Was the 492 BV ever available in the US? It was listed on Pio's web page for a while but I'm not sure they ever had them for sale here.
As for gas mileage with light rollers, as I said elsewhere, if anything my mileage improved slightly after I lightened the stock rollers.
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Old 11-11-2013, 01:08 AM   #205
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Any impact on fuel economy?
Lighter sliders raise revs at WOT and at speeds up to 50-55mph on
this scooter, however, at anything above 60mph your revs drop by
500 (this is only with Dr Pulley sliders, not with regular round rollers).

So.. if you do a lot of WOT around town and don't go over 50mph often
you'll probably have worse MPG figures.

If you're not heavy on throttle (which is hard to do since the acceleration
improvement is addictive) and use the bike outside of city limits over 55
mph, then you'll probably get better MPG figures.

This is common sense. In real world, in my case, one cancels out the other
so I had pretty much the same MPG figures all the time.

Bigger windscreen and a big topcase had a bigger impact then lighter sliders,
but I could still manage 71MPG at a constant 70mph (which was at 6000
revs with sliders, and 6500 with stock rollers).
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:16 PM   #206
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The GTi300 seems to come out the winner when compared to the BV350. On paper, the GTi300, at $5399, is only $300 less than the BV350. But in reality, the GTi300 is almost $2000 less, because of all the exorbitant fees Piaggio dealers add on, that most Kymco dealers don't. It's the OTD price that counts, not the MSRP. The GTi300 looks like a good step up from the HD200, and will probably even cost less than the new Burgman 200, if it ever makes it here.
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:25 PM   #207
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The GTi300 seems to come out the winner when compared to the BV350. On paper, the GTi300, at $5399, is only $300 less than the BV350. But in reality, the GTi300 is almost $2000 less, because of all the exorbitant fees Piaggio dealers add on, that most Kymco dealers don't. It's the OTD price that counts, not the MSRP. The GTi300 looks like a good step up from the HD200, and will probably even cost less than the new Burgman 200, if it ever makes it here.
Pricewise...in YOUR world maybe, but there's more to it than price for nearly everyone else.

There's a reason some dealers can command more add'l fees, than others and that is due to the demand for the machines they sell vs. the ones that are forced to waive them. Supply and demand. Econ. 101. If the Kymco dealer could get those fees, you can bet he would.

Price be damned, maybe YOU just aren't destined to ride a premium italian bike.

Im not saying the GTi300 isn't a great scooter, but the BV350ie is phenomenal and in its own category.
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Old 11-12-2013, 04:20 PM   #208
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Costs always have some effect on the judgment of "which is better".
For instance, if A has 10% less performance than B, but sells for 50% lower price . . . then A is clearly "better" (all other things being equal, naturally).

Of course, as the price gap gets smaller, then the judgment gets trickier.

Which is why I ask whether there is much difference in longer-term maintenance costs between the Kymco-300 and the Piaggio-350.

In particular, would there be much difference between the two in costings of replacing a set of pulleys?
[Both being powerful scoots, they would spend much of their time in "top gear" for country riding ~ and the belt groove the pulley faces significantly after 15 - 20,000 miles.]

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Old 11-12-2013, 05:47 PM   #209
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Costs always have some effect on the judgment of "which is better".
For instance, if A has 10% less performance than B, but sells for 50% lower price . . . then A is clearly "better" (all other things being equal, naturally).

Of course, as the price gap gets smaller, then the judgment gets trickier.

Which is why I ask whether there is much difference in longer-term maintenance costs between the Kymco-300 and the Piaggio-350.

In particular, would there be much difference between the two in costings of replacing a set of pulleys?
[Both being powerful scoots, they would spend much of their time in "top gear" for country riding b~ and the belt groove the pulley faces significantly after 15 - 20,000 miles.]

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The belt change interval on the GTi is 20,000 miles.
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Thank you, Kentucky.
For hot weather riding, I would be strongly tempted to change belts at half that distance [or even before a long trip . . . say 5000 miles plus].
Such is the nuisance of roadside belt replacement!

However, my original question related to the pulleys.
e.g. a set of Honda sh300 pulleys (plus belt and rollers) is getting near $1000 last time I checked.
The Kymco gear would be rather cheaper than that, I hope.
Piaggio ~ not sure. Maybe Honda-like?

Belt costs are a necessary evil; but not too bad overall (if done in your own garage).
Pulley costs can be rather steep for large scooters . . . and I myself would tend to count the first pulley replacement as more or less part of the initial capital cost of a 250+cc scooter.

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