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Old 05-03-2011, 11:20 AM   #91
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I am quite sure a lot of those pipes will burn your legs until they start bleeding. The ones that go inside the subframe might be alright.

Being cold outside will not save your legs from getting burned. Riding in snow and rain definitely won't. Wet pants transfers the heat all that much quicker for a quicker burn. Wet or dry makes the biggest difference.
What I meant is that even with the "shield", it could get warm (very warm in some cases). Since they tend to wear a lot of gear (because of the cold), maybe is not an issue for them... (at least is what they claim).

Or maybe it is not an issue, because the shield isolates the heat well enough and it does not burn...

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Old 05-03-2011, 11:32 AM   #92
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This thread makes me grin! Guzzitaco keep the ideas coming, bitten!
I'm doing a bit of designing as i just had my back cut open and must heal.

Currently the 90 has a braced swingarm,front disc upgrade, stainless barke line, 2-1 header. i had it set up as a cafe racer with the 90S fairing and low bars.

I removed the rear subframe and am designing a more rigid mount for the rear shocks. Another option for suspension is to use a monolever as in one of your last posts. I have two nice Konis and a limited budget so not sure about that design. A solo seat like the hardtail in this thread will be mounted. Need to do some photoshopping.

If you're building a scrarmbler for some off road use I think the stock subframe is poor. Making the front and rear suspension more rigid should make it handle a lot better,maybe with some frame bracing as well.

Who knows of a source for the steel or alloy fenders? I currently have one 70's Japanese front fender but i really like the clean look of those fenders- steel or alloy.
Two more builds...
the one on the left is based on a R90 (two pics)
the one on the right is based on a R100

hope your back gets better soon...
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Old 05-03-2011, 01:43 PM   #93
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What I meant is that even with the "shield", it could get warm (very warm in some cases). Since they tend to wear a lot of gear (because of the cold), maybe is not an issue for them... (at least is what they claim).

Or maybe it is not an issue, because the shield isolates the heat well enough and it does not burn...
I always tended to wear a lot of layers riding in the snow. You have to! It won't save you from getting burned especially when even multi layers gets wet. Layers do make a difference if you stay dry.

Some shields work better than others. That is for sure but good luck when your leg is rubbing tight against the exhaust shield while you are standing up and leaning back wheeling and roosting your way over some washer board or whatever. Some people won't take two trips to haul ass!
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:36 PM   #94
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I always tended to wear a lot of layers riding in the snow. You have to! It won't save you from getting burned especially when even multi layers gets wet. Layers do make a difference if you stay dry.

Some shields work better than others. That is for sure but good luck when your leg is rubbing tight against the exhaust shield while you are standing up and leaning back wheeling and roosting your way over some washer board or whatever. Some people won't take two trips to haul ass!
Thank you for your concern, but as I said I don't think I will be mounting a high exhaust (as I said I'm clumsy).

Nevertheless, makes me wonder: why are there examples of over 20 bikes with high pipes? Are all those guys getting burned? Are they masochists? Are they all stupid? How did the racers from BMW manage to compete (and win) on bikes with high pipes if they were getting burned? Why people pay top dollar (or EURO) for this bikes if they burn them?

Nevertheless, all of these are rhetorical questions and I don't need an answer.

It's all a mystery...
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:46 PM   #95
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not a BMW, but a couple of interesting Guzzi examples...

the red one if based on a 850 T-3 (I think)

The yellow, is a prototype based on the current Guzzi V7 Classic...presented in the bike show in Monaco
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:52 PM   #96
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I love the red Guzzi
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:52 PM   #97
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I love the red Guzzi
me too!!!
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:57 PM   #98
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This is not a BMW, not even a twin (so I apologize in advance)
this is a Yamaha build by JvB Moto and Kedo

Jens von Brauck is a custom builder based in Duesseldorf, Kedo is a shop in Hamburg that specializes in race and enduro parts.

Together they have created this bike based on a Yamaha SR500.

It may give some of you guys some interesting ideas on what to do (or not to do)

sorry again is not an airhead...
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:58 PM   #99
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me too!!!
Lets see and hear more about the red Guzzi, very nice bike.
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:03 PM   #100
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:15 PM   #101
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Lets see and hear more about the red Guzzi, very nice bike.
I will try to dig some info...
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:05 PM   #102
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seems like a lot of these bikes are more Bobber than Scrambler.
"Scrambler" seems like it's getting a little misinterpreted?
Most are cool as hell fershur, but not Scramblers.
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:37 PM   #103
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The old scramblers had heat shields and they worked pretty well.
Old time riders often had leather pants with insulated areas because of the pipes.
Many times people will put up with excessive heat because of the look. Double wall pipe could be used for heat reduction too. Wrapping the pipes, ceramic coating inside and out helps a bit. My Ulysses has a rear pipe that can be uncomfortably warm.
I'm keeping my low 2-1 and will use a different silencer that is more out of the way. Probably look for a used carbon fiber canister.
I haven't seen skid plates so maybe these aren't intended for off-road use.
Guzzitaco you have a lot of great pics!
I hope my new back will allow me back on a bike-should be worth the wait
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Old 05-03-2011, 07:52 PM   #104
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seems like a lot of these bikes are more Bobber than Scrambler.
"Scrambler" seems like it's getting a little misinterpreted?
Most are cool as hell fershur, but not Scramblers.
I have been thinking the same thing.
Still cool bikes though, nice to the eyes.
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:16 PM   #105
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I have been thinking the same thing.
Still cool bikes though, nice to the eyes.
I agree guys. That's why I made the disclaimer every time before each post.

Nevertheless, I will erase all the non scramblers...

I wish people would contribute more to the thread...
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