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Old 09-05-2011, 09:55 AM   #151
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Great report, Drone. Say, it looks like Kirby is getting taller! The boy has some legs on him now.
Hey, BT! Not taller. That's just an illusion when I give him his "summer cut". I shave his legs down and it makes him look tall and skinny. Come this winter he'll be back to his old "burly" look!
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Old 09-05-2011, 01:49 PM   #152
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Old 09-09-2011, 04:40 PM   #153
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Drone; met you at CSR3 and was wondering how many miles you have on the front and pusher tires. Just curious about the mileage you are getting in comparison with the tires that I have tried. Also wanted to find out what you think of using a backrest on your saddle while sidecaring?

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Old 09-09-2011, 08:00 PM   #154
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Drone; met you at CSR3 and was wondering how many miles you have on the front and pusher tires. Just curious about the mileage you are getting in comparison with the tires that I have tried. Also wanted to find out what you think of using a backrest on your saddle while sidecaring?

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Good questions.

I have a weird pinched nerve thing in my back. Without the backrest I can ride pain-free for 30 minutes. With the backrest, 400 mile days are no problem. But this is entirely because of the untreatable non-specific thoracic neuralgia I've had since 2006. Anyway, the backrest does not seem to interfere with hanging off. I prefer to hang off in a more forwardly position anyway.

I have 7000 miles on the tires. The Vredestein Snow+ pusher has no noticeable wear. On the K-60 Scout, my strategic thinking was that although this was a typical "round" motorcycle tire, the blocks were so deep I figured that the profile would become squarer and squarer as I wore down the center of the tire. Then, as my contact patch got wider and wider, the tire would begin to wear down more slowly since now the weight was being distributed over a larger contact patch. Are you with me?

Well, this is happening! When I first got the tire, it left a 1" wide track in the dirt. Now my track is as wide as the tire. So even though the center tread is not as deep as it was, I expect to get many more miles from this tire. But, it's still an experiment. We'll see. However, I feel that the tire is now at its peak performance level. I'm really hoping to get 12,000 or more out of this tire. BTW, at the git-go I ran this tire at 26 lbs but after about 2500 miles of wear I bumped it up to 30 lbs.
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Old 09-10-2011, 08:08 AM   #155
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Ah...this is good to hear that the Vredestein Snow has thus far gone 7000 miles as mine lately haven't seen too many miles after by bailout from the TAT. I assume you rode on both surfaces: offroad and slab; slab being 90%?

That's great news after hunting for a more aggressive pusher tire last winter/spring. SO..we ought to convince the tire guys to stock up on these makes/brands for the coming season and of course buy a set for future uses. By the way do you see the Vredestein/Snow's tread pattern sufficient aggressive enough for gnarly roads or does one need to have a more "Jeep" type tread? Thank you...
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Old 09-10-2011, 09:58 AM   #156
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Ah...this is good to hear that the Vredestein Snow has thus far gone 7000 miles as mine lately haven't seen too many miles after by bailout from the TAT. I assume you rode on both surfaces: offroad and slab; slab being 90%?

That's great news after hunting for a more aggressive pusher tire last winter/spring. SO..we ought to convince the tire guys to stock up on these makes/brands for the coming season and of course buy a set for future uses. By the way do you see the Vredestein/Snow's tread pattern sufficient aggressive enough for gnarly roads or does one need to have a more "Jeep" type tread? Thank you...
I don't keep a log of my paved vs. unpaved miles but there are at least several hundred miles of dirt and gravel in those 7000 miles.

I used to bicycle tour a bit when I was younger but I gave it up because I really only liked going downhill, and bicycling is 95% uphill. My friends told me bicycling is (duh!) 50/50 uphill and downhill, and that it only "seems" to be 95% uphill. I told them they were wrong. Do a 10-mile loop that's 50% uphill and 50% downhill on a fully-loaded touring bike. The 5-mile uphill stretch takes an hour to complete. Then the downhill stretch is over in 5 minutes. NOT 50/50!


[Not me!]

Dirt and paved is the same deal. I might spend 3 hours on paved roads then 3 hours on dirt roads. That's 50/50 riding. But to my tires--it's 95% paved and 5% dirt!

Regarding the tread pattern, I stay away from mud. I'll ride wet gravel roads all day long, but on dirt roads I ride'em dry. Add H2O to a dirt road and watch me find a different route. I also don't ride in sand--not much sand around here. So the tread pattern is fine for dirt and gravel. Really can't say about mud or sand.


Would I be on this road if it was muddy? NOPE!

BTW, on my last trip I left some great "panzer tracks" on a dirt road at my campsite, and I said to myself "Elmer would like a picture of this!" So I took a picture but, sorry, it came out blurry. At least I was thinking about you!
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Old 09-10-2011, 10:48 AM   #157
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Hola Drone...

That's interesting; about the Heidenau K-60 Scout might get you 12,000 miles. Have never been successful with the front Metzeler Tourance( not the EXP) in getting more than 4000 miles. The Metzeler Karoo gets even less...eaten like saltwater taffy in no time when riding a combination of offroad and slabbing. So the K-60 looks good according to you!. Keep us posted..
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Old 09-10-2011, 12:21 PM   #158
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Just found this pic from my last trip showing the squared off front tire at about 6500 miles.

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Old 09-10-2011, 02:38 PM   #159
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Drone; thanks for the update on your tires. I was running a Federal all season tire and it only got about 5,000 miles which I think is related to using softer rubbers in an inexpensive all seaon tire. My Arizonan has about 2,000 miles on it and looks like it has very little wear - I am going to get much better mileage than with the Federal tire. I have been running a Metzeler ME 880 Marathon the front and have over 6,000 mileson it. It seems to be wearing like your K-60 Scout but does not have nearly as aggressive a tread desing as the K-60 Scout. I am not sure how much difference the front design makes since there is so much reduced weight on it and lots of mass pushing it around. H9owever, I will be looking to try the tires you are using for my next replacements.

I was also looking at the snow chains that you have gotten for your rig and was wondering if you have done more than just install them? I have a 2002 GSA and there is not a lot of clearance between the tire and the rear swing arm as well as the muffler. One is going to need to keep the chains very tight to make sure that everything does not get beat up by a loose chain. Just wondering if you have had any experience running these chains?

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Old 09-10-2011, 02:59 PM   #160
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I am not sure how much difference the front design makes since there is so much reduced weight on it and lots of mass pushing it around.
Don't know about your rig, but my front tire carries 400 lbs out of my rig's total weight of about 1350.

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I was also looking at the snow chains that you have gotten for your rig and was wondering if you have done more than just install them? I have a 2002 GSA and there is not a lot of clearance between the tire and the rear swing arm as well as the muffler. One is going to need to keep the chains very tight to make sure that everything does not get beat up by a loose chain. Just wondering if you have had any experience running these chains?
I have not used the snow chains beyond my driveway.
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Old 09-11-2011, 04:05 PM   #161
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I absolutely love your rig!!!

Not sure if the wife would ever go for it given what we invested in ours...

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Old 09-15-2011, 06:54 PM   #162
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Update on the rear tire

Today, I happened to be walking past my rig with calipers in my hand, so I stopped to measure the tread. Up above on Post 154, I said "The Vredestein Snow+ pusher has no noticeable wear" after 7000 miles. This was incorrect. Well, no, it WAS correct since I used the word "noticeable." By that, I mean that you don't "notice" the tread wear.

The Vredestein Snow Plus has 9mm of tread depth when new. Bearing in mind that it's a snow tire with soft rubber tread compounds and not intended to be a high mileage tire.

Anyway, after 7000 miles, it now has 6mm. The tread depth is pretty much the same from one side to the other, so the tire is wearing nice and even with 30 lbs of pressure. Not sure when I will replace the tire, but if I replace it with 3mm of tread, then it's a 15,000 mile tire. If I let it get down to under 1mm, then that's a 20,000 mile tire.

Before I bought the Vredesteins, I know I googled and googled for hours looking for tires. But today, I googled and got a hit for a BF Goodrich All-Season radial in my size (155-80/15) that looks like it would go great on the rig. (click). Is this a new tire? How come I didn't see it last year?

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Old 09-15-2011, 07:33 PM   #163
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our tires are 165/80 R 15
so......
when i look at what other sizes are available, i get this:


Serv. Desc.
215/60R14 91S $88.00 (ea.)
215/70R14 96S $90.00 (ea.)
225/60R14 94S $100.00 (ea.)
225/70R14 98S $96.00 (ea.)
235/60R14 96S $100.00 (ea.)
245/60R14 98S $111.00 (ea.)
155/80R15 83S $80.00 (ea.)
195/60R15 87S $82.00 (ea.)
205/60R15 90S $79.00 (ea.)
PriceSizeServ. Desc.
215/60R15 93S $79.00 (ea.)
215/65R15 95S $93.00 (ea.)
215/70R15 97S $85.00 (ea.)
225/60R15 95S $98.00 (ea.)
225/70R15 100S $102.00 (ea.)
235/60R15 98S $108.00 (ea.)
235/60R15 98S $103.00 (ea.)
235/70R15 102S $108.00 (ea.)
235/70R15 102S $108.00 (ea.)
PriceSizeServ. Desc.
245/60R15 100S $112.00 (ea.)
255/60R15 102S $115.00 (ea.)
255/70R15 108S $111.00 (ea.)
255/70R15 108S $114.00 (ea.)
275/60R15 107S $118.00 (ea.)
275/60R15 107S $123.00 (ea.)
295/50R15 105S $158.00 (ea.)
285/60R16 111T $178.00 (ea.)
295/50R16 107S $184.00 (ea.)

skipping from 155... to 195
WHY would they make nothing between?
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Old 09-15-2011, 07:34 PM   #164
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here is our tire:
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Old 09-15-2011, 07:41 PM   #165
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And speaking of the seatback, I put it in and take it out frequently, and don't want to be fooling around with a screwdriver each time. So I installed some threaded brass inserts into the seat back and got some wingnut bolts to fit. Now I can take the seat out and put it back in quickly and easily without tools, and can even do it by feel in the dark!

now that is a damn good idea! Going to do that to mine as well!

thanks

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