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Old 10-01-2013, 05:20 AM   #4711
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Quick valve adjustments

I don't know why KTM says remove the cam? It is much easier to remove the rocker arms... and the intake is blocked as you mentioned even with it removed so why bother. This was the same on my 08 530. If it wasn't such a bitch to remove the right side rocker cover bolts I could adjust valves (replace shims) in about 20 minutes...

Does anyone have a trick to remove these pesky bolts? I have tried every tool combination I can think off... I just cant get to em...

Yes I have a ratcheting wrench but it still take a long time. I leave the radiators in place so swing movement is limited...
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Old 10-01-2013, 05:25 AM   #4712
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So the (small) needle bearing that the camshaft fits is not fully seated. I say this because I am not able to change the shims as stated in the manual. When I go to lift the rocker arm on the intake side it interferes with the bearing. The manual has you change the shims by removing the camshaft NOT the rocker arm shafts. I know a lot of people prefer removing the shafts but I prefer the way the manual says.

Also there is an issue with one of the rocker arm shafts. One is very tight to remove but the other side slides out with what I would consider to be the right amount of interference/force. I fear the tight one might be bent.

Anyone else have this issue? Should I be concerned? The 2 KTM dealers I called basically said pound sand.
The bike runs great but will soon be off warranty.
lotta talk at KTMTalk about those rocker shafts not getting enough oil, and they seize.... supposedly a bunch of part # upgrades.... supposed to be a late model problem....
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:33 AM   #4713
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Supermoto setup, lil help please...

Alright so I need some real specific information here.

My rear wheel which is a DNA Racing 5"x17" with the Pilot Road3 is still rubbing the chain. I thought it was going to stop and it seemed like it did but really it seems like the more it wears the tire away the chain just keeps on following it. Its into the sidewall now rubbing the letters off the tire. I've reassembled the wheels several times trying to discover a problem but I really cant imagine how the hub is shrinking and the chain is getting closer to the tire. I had the lasers out last night in an attempt to find the chains path and I should have rented a monkey, bought some viagra and threw it a football. It has always appeared straight to me and not touching the tire but surer than shit it hits the tire and the space between the tire and chain remains the same, meaning it never gains clearance no matter how much tire gets worn away. The clearance of the tire on the swingarm for the rotor side has also not changed and I could maybe squeeze 10mm to that side with offsetting.

So what I'm looking for is measurements for the rear wheel. Im not really even sure how to go about it, if a standard exists or what but if you can give me info on your non rubbing setup with measurements Id appreciate it.

Im about to lace some new hubs and I dont want to repeat a mistake if one has been made.

Ive been looking online for the correct measuring techniques and I'm not having much luck. About to buy a wheel building stand which I believe will simplify things or at least make it very easy to copy what I have. So if you can give me a lesson on what critical measurements I need to make along with the terms for them Id be greatful as well.
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:23 AM   #4714
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Why don't you move it over just under 10 mm if you have the room by loosening/tightening the right spokes? You can unmount the tire, remount the wheel back on the bike and get a rough assembly there, then do the final truing on a wheel building or balancing stand.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:36 AM   #4715
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Why don't you move it over just under 10 mm if you have the room by loosening/tightening the right spokes? You can unmount the tire, remount the wheel back on the bike and get a rough assembly there, then do the final truing on a wheel building or balancing stand.
Yea exactly ... Id like a starting point is all.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:25 PM   #4716
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Alright so I need some real specific information here.

My rear wheel which is a DNA Racing 5"x17" with the Pilot Road3 is still rubbing the chain. I thought it was going to stop and it seemed like it did but really it seems like the more it wears the tire away the chain just keeps on following it. Its into the sidewall now rubbing the letters off the tire. I've reassembled the wheels several times trying to discover a problem but I really cant imagine how the hub is shrinking and the chain is getting closer to the tire. I had the lasers out last night in an attempt to find the chains path and I should have rented a monkey, bought some viagra and threw it a football. It has always appeared straight to me and not touching the tire but surer than shit it hits the tire and the space between the tire and chain remains the same, meaning it never gains clearance no matter how much tire gets worn away. The clearance of the tire on the swingarm for the rotor side has also not changed and I could maybe squeeze 10mm to that side with offsetting.

So what I'm looking for is measurements for the rear wheel. Im not really even sure how to go about it, if a standard exists or what but if you can give me info on your non rubbing setup with measurements Id appreciate it.

Im about to lace some new hubs and I dont want to repeat a mistake if one has been made.

Ive been looking online for the correct measuring techniques and I'm not having much luck. About to buy a wheel building stand which I believe will simplify things or at least make it very easy to copy what I have. So if you can give me a lesson on what critical measurements I need to make along with the terms for them Id be greatful as well.
i gotta '06 450 SMR... they all came w/the 5" Behr rims.... they also came w/a dunlop 165/65 race slick, that has a higher, less wide profile.... mine had the Conti sumo tire on it, and it rubbed bad too.... w/the DOT 160's, 'yer gonna have to run a 4.25" rim, and all your problems will go away.... i ran a 160 Metzler M3 and it works great, tire has a great profile, no rub.... the 160 on a 5" is too flat anyway.... my $.03, YMMV...

get a cush hub too, it's sweet....
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:56 PM   #4717
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supermotard

I have a 500 and run a 4.5" rear w/ no issues. I decided 5" was too wide while researching.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:29 PM   #4718
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Is your chain worn to the point it has excess side to side play? Is it an o-ring chain. I am running the stock chain that came on the 500 for my supermoto wheel 5 inch wide rim and I have about 4 to 5 mm between my chain and tire and they don't rub at all

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Old 10-01-2013, 02:01 PM   #4719
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anyways .... Im just looking for measurements for 5" wheels. Not looking for a fix. Ive been down that road, trust me.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:28 PM   #4720
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I gave you a measurement... there is not much to it. True your wheel to your hub while making sure you have enough offset between the chain on the left and the swingarm on the right. then make sure your wheel is square in the swingarm. What more do you need? I laced my rear wheel like this and it works with no chain rub. I measured the distance from the bearing spacer to the edge of the tire and got .630 inches. Running a pilot road 2 160 60 17.

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Old 10-02-2013, 05:00 AM   #4721
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I gave you a measurement... there is not much to it. True your wheel to your hub while making sure you have enough offset between the chain on the left and the swingarm on the right. then make sure your wheel is square in the swingarm. What more do you need? I laced my rear wheel like this and it works with no chain rub. I measured the distance from the bearing spacer to the edge of the tire and got .630 inches. Running a pilot road 2 160 60 17.

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I did this both with a 5" and 5.5" (w/180) rim on a 525.

Dirty in all - While sitting on the bike you are simply adjusting the spokes to shift the hub farther to the right in order to gain clearance for the chain. I simply adjusted until there was clearence, no specific measurements taken or needed to do this task. As Soutaduner noted use a non O-ring chain for SM as it will give you about an 1/8" additional clearance versus an O-ring chain.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:37 AM   #4722
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Oil Changes on a 2012 500EXC

I'm curious about what many of you will consider a rather pedantic question: does it make any difference which of the three drain points(excluding the oil filter) on the '12 500EXC you drain first? This is the first bike I've ever owned that had more than one drain plug for oil, and it seems as though I'm constantly having to go to the manual to get the correct order. It would be nice if it really didn't matter ! Many thanks.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:06 AM   #4723
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Is your chain worn to the point it has excess side to side play? Is it an o-ring chain. I am running the stock chain that came on the 500 for my supermoto wheel 5 inch wide rim and I have about 4 to 5 mm between my chain and tire and they don't rub at all

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I gave you a measurement... there is not much to it. True your wheel to your hub while making sure you have enough offset between the chain on the left and the swingarm on the right. then make sure your wheel is square in the swingarm. What more do you need? I laced my rear wheel like this and it works with no chain rub. I measured the distance from the bearing spacer to the edge of the tire and got .630 inches. Running a pilot road 2 160 60 17.

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I did this both with a 5" and 5.5" (w/180) rim on a 525.

Dirty in all - While sitting on the bike you are simply adjusting the spokes to shift the hub farther to the right in order to gain clearance for the chain. I simply adjusted until there was clearence, no specific measurements taken or needed to do this task. As Soutaduner noted use a non O-ring chain for SM as it will give you about an 1/8" additional clearance versus an O-ring chain.

I was looking for what offset came on the wheel. I know I can adjust it. I didnt want your clearance measurements those are pretty obvious right? I have a feeling 10 people that have adjusted the wheel on their own will all have different clearance measurements. I wanted to know what the offset was as shipped so when I lace the hub off the bike I had a much closer starting point but also why mine rubs and if it was wrong from the start where as I cant find anyone else that has rubbing with my setup. Something is off and I wanted to know what. That's all. I fully understand the rest.
As for the chain one of you says use the stock chain which is a narrow o-ring and the other says make sure its non o-ring.... Im going to adjust the spokes to shift the hub further to the right? Sound backwards. So again , Im not looking for fixes and that's why. Im looking for offset measurements. I appreciate the fact you know what to do and Im not trying get into a shit fest about what to do about it. Which is where we are right now.

I think I thought there was more to it than just offset and Im only looking for that measurement. Sorry for any confusion.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:07 AM   #4724
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I take mine off right (with magnet) to left...

It appears that may also be lowest to highest but not sure.

I change oil often (old racing habit) but I clean screens only on occasion.

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Old 10-02-2013, 09:46 AM   #4725
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No one is throwing shit here we are just trying to help. It is nice you finally asked specifically for what you wanted instead of talking about the hub "shrinking" I don't have the as shipped measurement since I laced my own. I was suggesting that you look for a dynamic issue if you have clearance statically. I was just letting you know that my setup with very small chain to tire clearance does not rub.

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