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Old 04-19-2012, 09:11 PM   #2956
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I only get about a 10% sucess rate without gloves - it's a TINY target area.
Maybe it's your fingers? I just tried it a few more times and have no problem getting the pin to disappear. Try your pinky.

You could keep a stylus around, and scroll/X with that too.
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Old 04-19-2012, 09:19 PM   #2957
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What happens when you have more than 10,000 track points? I currently have two tracks of one area with around 16,000 track points between the two of them. It appears that it's showing everything, but I don't if it is. Is it 10,000 points on the map including what you can't see, or is it only what's currently on the screen?

If it's truncating to 10,000 points, what is it doing. Is it removing the last points(doesn't appear to be what it's doing). Or removing points that are closest to each other?
Well, I suppose I should have checked this after the last 3.90 update. The unit will now show - well I don't know what the limit is until I can clear my current trip data and load my test file with 200 tracks and then set them all to show on the map . But the unit still does truncate any single track at point #10,000.

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Old 04-19-2012, 09:38 PM   #2958
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This is just a little public thank you to the Montana Dev Team. The Montana 600 Series is by far the most advanced feature-rich GPS unit that Garmin has ever produced and I think it will continue to get even better if the Garmin Exec's will continue to fund it.

About the "only" thing I would really like to see is:
Feature & Description
  1. Four Corner - Transparent Data Fields. Please provide an additional Dashboard option for Small (1/3 smaller than the current "Small") Transparent-background, Configurable Data fields in the four corners of the Map screen similar to the zumo 660's More Map View or the GPSMAP 478.
  2. Track Manager - Options. Provide a Setting tab option on the main Track Manager screen to: "Show All Tracks on Map", "Hide All Tracks on Map", "Delete All Tracks".
  3. Waypoint Categories. Support Waypoint Categories and Adventures
  4. Waypoint Contact Info. Support Waypoint Contact Info Fields (Street Address, City, State, ZIP, Country, Phone #'s)
  5. Display - Screen Capture. Save Screen Capture setting in Profile
  6. Where To? Search - Along Active Route. When navigating; Option to search "Along Active Route"
  7. Power Management - Option. Keep unit on when External Power is lost as a Profile setting.
  8. Multiple Trip Odometers. Multiple Independently resettable Trip Odometers
  9. Camera Settings. Provide Camera settings (Resolution and Storage Location) as part of the Profile data.
  10. Save Current Track Shortcut option. Provide a Shortcut Setting for Track - Save Current Track. Allow this setting to be combined with Clear Current Track as part of a "Save and Clear" Shortcut.
  11. Track - "Show on Map". Save the Track "Show on Map" selection in the GPX data so that when a Track is shared with other GPS it will show on the Map as defined in the GPX data - just like Color selection is saved.
  12. Shortcut for TracBack
  13. Shortcut "Setup" - Indicate Option(s). Indicate the Setup Options applied to a Shortcut using # and Alfa combo for each option selected.
  14. Resettable Odometer. A Shortcut / Reset option to reset the Odometer without having to preform a Master Reset. (dacrazyrn)
  15. Data field for voltage from Mount.
  16. Do not recalculate Routes upon Open. Show routes as they were created as long as Map versions are the same.
  17. Support mixed Along-road and Direct Routing routes.
  18. Display setting to allow Topo data to be hidden, showing Major and/or Minor topo lines at greater than specified zoom level.
  19. Track Manager/Waypoint Manager/Route Planner - please add the ability to "short by Alphanumeric" to these data lists.
  20. Security Lock: "PIN" code and location support.



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Old 04-19-2012, 10:44 PM   #2959
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I only get about a 10% sucess rate without gloves - it's a TINY target area.
I'm seeing the same problem in Portrait mode trying to remove the push pin. From Landscape mode seems to work fine. Appears the hotspot still needs some work.
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:04 PM   #2960
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Well, it turns out that with the updated Routing feature, the Montana now accepts mixed-routes. Just remember to set "Recalculate=Off" in your Routing settings when you navigate one of these.

The way to create a mixed-route in BaseCamp is to create your along-road segments using your routable map and when you need to go off-road, switch to a non-routable map - don't change the routing Activity as this will recalculate the entire route. Once you have your route the way you want it, just drag and drop the route to the Montana internal or µSD storage.

Oh, here is a screenshot of a mixed-route. The area in the red circle is Direct Routing.


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Old 04-19-2012, 11:31 PM   #2961
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I'm seeing the same problem in Portrait mode trying to remove the push pin. From Landscape mode seems to work fine. Appears the hotspot still needs some work.
I don't seem to be having the same "hot-spot" issue with the Pushpin "X" in either display mode. Even with gloves on - well, OK I'm using my TourchScreen Glove™

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Old 04-19-2012, 11:38 PM   #2962
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I'm seeing the same problem in Portrait mode trying to remove the push pin. From Landscape mode seems to work fine. Appears the hotspot still needs some work.
I only use Portrait mode so I hadn't noticed that. I just did try Landscape and it's much easier to hit that tiny "X" - about 90% success rate Vs 10% in Portrait mode, where the "X" is so close to edge of screen that the raised case interferes. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:27 AM   #2963
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V3.98 Routing Activities

I'm having trouble understanding the purpose of these Routing Activities. It seems like they all use Follow Road routing EXCEPT the Direct Routing activity. In my mind there's only two real types of routing - Follow Roads or Direct (Off Road) routing. If you are travelling in areas where there are no roads on your GPS map, then you must select Direct Routing.

What Garmin seems to be calling Activities always uses Follow Roads routing (except the Direct Activity) even though there probably isn't any roads or routable trails for some Activities e.g. Mountain Biking, Hiking, ATV/Off Road Driving, Pedestrian Walking, etc. The only things that change between Activities is Minimize Time/Distance, Lock on Road, Avoidances and Recalculation.

What am I missing here?
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Old 04-20-2012, 04:43 AM   #2964
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Routing/Avoidances ambiguity cleared up, finally...

Not sure when this happened but if you go to Setup/Routing and choose Avoidance Setup it now couldn't be clearer. The menu says "Select Items to Avoid". No more will users wonder if choosing items avoids them, or allows them.

Thanks Garmin!

Edit: just checked version 3.97 on my wife's Montana and in that version, it's still got the confusing dialogue/interface so this Avoidances clarification comes with 3.98!
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Old 04-20-2012, 04:57 AM   #2965
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I'm having trouble understanding the purpose of these Routing Activities....

What am I missing here?
As far as I can tell, first, when you choose an activity it makes some assumptions... if you choose pedestrian, or cycling, for instance there is absolutely no way you will be routed on an interstate. If you select either of those and go to the "avoid" menu, interstate isn't even listed as a greyed out selection (as when setting activities in BC)... on the Montana, it's not even there.

Second, I presume it's doing something with elevation. There's a pre-set selection with Tour Cycling in basecamp to "minimize elevation asscent". I also seem to remember a previous version of Basecamp that gave you a choice within the Motorcycling activity to choose "scenic routing" or some such. What wasn't clear is what the algorithm was to accomplish that -- roads that followed streams, anything called "Ridge Road"...?? just speculating.

I have no problem with activities that give you a set of options to start with, just let me have full control over the routing parameters.

My M.O. for routing:
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Set the start and end points of the entire route, then use the "rubber-banding" technique (like you would making a route on GoogleMaps) to force the roads/trails I wanted. BC routing set to "shortest distance, avoid nothing" -- (Motorcycling activity will allow this, and only automatically avoids climbing paths and cable cars, fine by me).

Next, insert any waypoints as appropriate (fuel, camp, peaks, passes, photo ops), and split the route into <50 via/waypoint pieces. Create start + end waypoints at the splits, and name each route in alphanumeric sequence.

On the units, call up the route using the following routing settings: avoid nothing, follow road, shortest distance. There was NEVER a discrepancy between BC and the 60/76's using this sequence.

I haven't seen the latest firmware, I'm on 3.90, but I'm not seeing how I can force the montana to auto-route both on Interstate AND on narrow trails visible on the 24K topos. It seems there's NO activity which allows both, and no option to roll your own activity like you can roll your own profile and shortcuts.
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Old 04-20-2012, 05:31 AM   #2966
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This is the serial number of the refurbished Montana we received yesterday...



Not sure where that places it in the production run.

A quick phone call to Garmin this morning got me a new unlock code for the City Nav we had on the old Montana we sent back.
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:17 AM   #2967
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A quick phone call to Garmin this morning got me a new unlock code for the City Nav we had on the old Montana we sent back.
I hate to quote my own message but thought this might be worth it: the tech support guy I spoke to at Garmin this morning made very sure I understood that from now on the code he sent me was the only one that would work with the map so to be sure to keep it with the original dvd.

Also and more importantly, the new code would not unlock the existing mapset in the gps - we had to create a new mapset with the new code.

He said there's nothing he could give me to unlock the mapset created with the old unlock, which had been on the now broken Montana. We still had the file but it might as well be deleted now.
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:21 AM   #2968
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Wow! This is awesome! So many of the big issues have been addressed! And this is the biggest, of course "Fixed issue with preserving routes imported from Basecamp (identical maps required)"
I have a question (the devil is always in the details). What does "identical maps required" really mean? For example I have CNNA 2012.4 version 15.4 (DVD and downloaded update when I first got it) on my PC for my 276C. Since I bought that, I got my Montana and got CNNA 2012.4 version 20.12 on a SD card for it. Since both are CNNA 2012.4, are they identical maps or do the different version numbers (probably because of the different media sources?) make them different?

In practical terms, this is not an issue for how we use the two Garmins, but I am just curious.
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:24 AM   #2969
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I have a question (the devil is always in the details). What does "identical maps required" really mean. For example I have CNNA 2012.4 version 15.4 (DVD and downloaded update when I first got it) on my PC for my 276C. Since I bought that, I got my Montana and got CNNA 2012.4 version 20.12 on a SD card for it. Since both are CNNA 2012.4, are they identical maps or do the different version numbers (probably because of the different media sources?) make them different?

In practical terms, this is not an issue for how we use the two Garmins, but I am just curious.
I think the easiest way to ensure the maps are identical is to use the map on the gps to plan the route with. It's easy with BaseCamp.

Once you start BaseCamp, click on the map on your gps or uSD card and make your route.

Keep in mind though that if this is the first time you plug your gps into BaseCamp, the maps need to be seen by BaseCamp (cached?) and initially this can take a while - quite a while if you have lots of maps. In my case it took almost 1/2 an hour for all the progress indicators to disappear.
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:25 AM   #2970
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snip....

My M.O. for routing:
On BC:
Set the start and end points of the entire route, then use the "rubber-banding" technique (like you would making a route on GoogleMaps) to force the roads/trails I wanted. BC routing set to "shortest distance, avoid nothing" -- (Motorcycling activity will allow this, and only automatically avoids climbing paths and cable cars, fine by me).

Next, insert any waypoints as appropriate (fuel, camp, peaks, passes, photo ops), and split the route into <50 via/waypoint pieces. Create start + end waypoints at the splits, and name each route in alphanumeric sequence.

On the units, call up the route using the following routing settings: avoid nothing, follow road, shortest distance. There was NEVER a discrepancy between BC and the 60/76's using this sequence.

I haven't seen the latest firmware, I'm on 3.90, but I'm not seeing how I can force the montana to auto-route both on Interstate AND on narrow trails visible on the 24K topos. It seems there's NO activity which allows both, and no option to roll your own activity like you can roll your own profile and shortcuts.
When v4.0 (v3.98beta) is available, using your M.O., the new Routing feature to "use BC Route's "As-Is" (as long as map versions match) will allow you to create any kind of route you want over any type of routing path. No need to have a special Activity. The Montana will just navigate the route as you created it and over the paths you specified in BC. Unless of course you allow the Route to "Recalculate" while your navigating it (just set Recalculation=OFF).

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