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Old 04-20-2012, 06:15 PM   #3001
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The recourse is to install CNNA 2012.1 or CNNA 2012.4 on your desktop PC so that BaseCamp and MapSource can use them. Eventually Garmin will fix this Cartography Group issue.

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Thanks again Dan..it is obvioulsy a cartography issue when I have had mapsource for years and then now a new Montana with BaseCamp. Went into the belly of the beast and got it resolved. Thanks for your guidance

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Old 04-20-2012, 06:26 PM   #3002
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The recourse is to install CNNA 2012.1 or CNNA 2012.4 on your desktop PC so that BaseCamp and MapSource can use them. Eventually Garmin will fix this Cartography Group issue.

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The other recourse is to use GMapTool to set the flag which will tell BaseCamp to read the map on the gps. That's what I did for all the maps on my gps, including the OSM ones.

Here's how, described on the Garmin forums:

"Actually you can make ANY .img file work like this in basecamp if you know how to use gmaptool. There's a flag embedded in the file that tells Basecamp whether it can be opened. In gmaptool, use the File tab to add the .img file, and select "advanced options" on the Options tab. Now check "Set version in header" and enter "0" in the MS field on the Write tab. Click the "Write all" button. Voila, your map will now appear when the card or device containing the .img file is connected to your computer. THIS IS AN ADVANCED TECHNIQUE THAT SHOULD ONLY BE ATTEMPTED IF YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Make sure you have a backup before attempting. Gmaptool is a very powerful program, but not very user-friendly. You can do a lot of damage if you don't understand it."

This is where to get GMapTool:

Download GMapTool from here: The Read Me file is here.

Once you've installed it, run the program, click the "Files" tab, locate a backup copy of your map file, then go for it. Once you've modified the file, make sure you place it on your uSD card and not the Montana itself, in case you've done something wrong and the file doesn't load properly.

And after you do nothing but set that flag, you'll see the map(s) on the gps in Basecamp.
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Old 04-20-2012, 06:31 PM   #3003
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The other recourse is to use GMapTool to set the flag which will tell BaseCamp to read the map on the gps. That's what I did for all the maps on my gps, including the OSM ones.

Here's how, described on the Garmin forums:

"Actually you can make ANY .img file work like this in basecamp if you know how to use gmaptool. There's a flag embedded in the file that tells Basecamp whether it can be opened. In gmaptool, use the File tab to add the .img file, and select "advanced options" on the Options tab. Now check "Set version in header" and enter "0" in the MS field on the Write tab. Click the "Write all" button. Voila, your map will now appear when the card or device containing the .img file is connected to your computer. THIS IS AN ADVANCED TECHNIQUE THAT SHOULD ONLY BE ATTEMPTED IF YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Make sure you have a backup before attempting. Gmaptool is a very powerful program, but not very user-friendly. You can do a lot of damage if you don't understand it."

This is where to get GMapTool:

Download GMapTool from here: The Read Me file is here.

Once you've installed it, run the program, click the "Files" tab, locate a backup copy of your map file, then go for it. Once you've modified the file, make sure you place it on your uSD card and not the Montana itself, in case you've done something wrong and the file doesn't load properly.

And after you do nothing but set that flag, you'll see the map(s) on the gps in Basecamp.
Aye Emmbeedee...thanks for the other heads up. you guys rock

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Old 04-20-2012, 06:51 PM   #3004
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this sounds a very complex peice of equipment....too complex for a complete gps newb?
I am reasonably computer literate .most of my riding is on marked roads but am contemplating a trip which may be on roads not marked on any maps(they arent shown as traced roads on google maps).Can I look at garmin maps for NZ if i dont have a gps?
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:26 PM   #3005
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this sounds a very complex peice of equipment....too complex for a complete gps newb?
I am reasonably computer literate .most of my riding is on marked roads but am contemplating a trip which may be on roads not marked on any maps(they arent shown as traced roads on google maps).Can I look at garmin maps for NZ if i dont have a gps?
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then click on coverage details, you can view them there.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:56 PM   #3006
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then click on coverage details, you can view them there.
doesnt show much detail???
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:38 PM   #3007
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doesnt show much detail???
How 'bout this?

http://nzopengps.org/

"Synopsis: Free autorouting, street number searchable maps of New Zealand for Garmin mapping GPS. The street maps cover the whole of New Zealand with just about every road and street named in the country (except the Chatham Islands). These maps are free - do not pay for them - there are scumbag Trademe traders who sell them - they are ripping off our community by making money off our hard work.

Project: The New Zealand Open GPS Maps project is a collaborative community-driven project based around a forum. Users report issues or bugs and regional mappers pick up the reports and make changes to the source maps. Usually within 24 - 48 hours a revised version of the map is available for download. The maps are compiled specifically for the Garmin GPS platform as it is one of the only GPS map formats that have 3rd party mapping tools available. We use Stan's fantastic cgpsmapper complier - both on line and off line."
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:37 PM   #3008
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this sounds a very complex peice of equipment....too complex for a complete gps newb?
I am reasonably computer literate .most of my riding is on marked roads but am contemplating a trip which may be on roads not marked on any maps(they arent shown as traced roads on google maps).Can I look at garmin maps for NZ if i dont have a gps?
Paul, I’ve got both the NZ open GPS maps and the Garmin topo maps on my Montana. You’re welcome to come and have a look to see if it’d suit you.
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:39 PM   #3009
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... I have no problem with activities that give you a set of options to start with, just let me have full control over the routing parameters. ....
I could accept the concept of Activities if Garmin actually gave you FULL control over the routing paramaters, but they don't. The critical paramater - Follow Roads or Direct/Off Road routing - is not setable in the Activity screen. Garmin treats Direct routing as an Activity itself.

This may be difficult to grasp, but when you select, say, "ATV/Off Road Driving" Activity you'd expect that the routing method would be Direct (as there are no roads where you'd normally drive an ATV) but it uses Follow Roads and hence errors out or produces an erroneous route.

Perhaps my riding areas are different to most, but our DualSport rides use a mixture of backroads (on Garmin CNNA), forest access roads (very few are on CNNA), power line access trails (none on CNNA), and forest single track (none on CNNA). The only way I know to make/use GPS routes for these rides is with Direct (Off Road) routes. The ONLY way to use these routes is by setting a profile to use the Routing Activity for "Direct". So what is the point of Dirt Bike, Mountain Bike, ATV, etc Activities?
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:39 PM   #3010
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I could accept the concept of Activities if Garmin actually gave you FULL control over the routing paramaters, but they don't. The critical paramater - Follow Roads or Direct/Off Road routing - is not setable in the Activity screen. Garmin treats Direct routing as an Activity itself.

This may be difficult to grasp, but when you select, say, "ATV/Off Road Driving" Activity you'd expect that the routing method would be Direct (as there are no roads where you'd normally drive an ATV) but it uses Follow Roads and hence errors out or produces an erroneous route.

Perhaps my riding areas are different to most, but our DualSport rides use a mixture of backroads (on Garmin CNNA), forest access roads (very few are on CNNA), power line access trails (none on CNNA), and forest single track (none on CNNA). The only way I know to make/use GPS routes for these rides is with Direct (Off Road) routes. The ONLY way to use these routes is by setting a profile to use the Routing Activity for "Direct". So what is the point of Dirt Bike, Mountain Bike, ATV, etc Activities?
There are a number of these "Activities" that don't make sense when it comes to Routing and the options available to control the outcome of a Route calculation on the map. ATV/Off Road Driving is a great example. Depending upon the Forest/BLM area you are riding, there may or may not be roads on any routable map. In this case you can select the Lock on Road=NO but it will still not give you Direct Routing. And, since there is no way to create a mixed-route on the Montana due to the route being recalculated every time you switch Activity, ATV/Off Road makes little sense to me as well.

I requested that the Montana Team give the customer community a description of the Objective and Benefits for each of the Routing Activities they have provided. If you think that would be helpful/beneficial please make it know to them via the Montana Beta email.

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Old 04-21-2012, 08:49 AM   #3011
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As there has been a bit of discussion on the Routing Activities, I finally had an "ah ha" moment last night. At some point, sorry I don't know exactly what version this changed, the Avoidances selection menu became a lot more user friendly.

Original Avoids menu:



Somewhere in v3.9x Avoidances:



Thanks again Garmin.

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Old 04-21-2012, 09:03 AM   #3012
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Over eight months ago, I politely asked the Montana Team to increase the size of the zoom control buttons on the map page and to place them on opposite sides of the map so that they could more easily be used with gloves on. Well, today I had my heavier gloves on and could not zoom in on the map. I know, I know...you can simply touch the screen and jump to browse mode and the zoom controls are larger and spaced further apart. But, the basic map screen was bugging me. Sooooo, I've developed the TouchScreen Glove™. Here's a photo of the prototype. I've already filed my patent so don't get any ideas of going down to the local hardware store and buying a sheet of silicone rubber dots and affixing one to your favorite glove with some Super Glue. I'll be looking out for ripoff gloves out there.



Works really well

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No problem, my design will use the dot on the index finger so as not to infringe on your patent!
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:03 AM   #3013
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There are a number of these "Activities" that don't make sense when it comes to Routing and the options available to control the outcome of a Route calculation on the map. ATV/Off Road Driving is a great example.

Depending upon the Forest/BLM area you are riding, there may or may not be roads on any routable map. In this case you can select the Lock on Road=NO but it will still not give you Direct Routing. And, since there is no way to create a mixed-route on the Montana due to the route being recalculated every time you switch Activity, ATV/Off Road makes little sense to me as well. Cheers,
As I have said many times, the 3rd party map makers really need to get the letest Travel Management decisions from each forest in the US into their maps. The world for motorized use in forests has changed in the last couple years.

A problem we have had for years in OHV management is "H" vs. the "R". "Off Road" travel in only legal in very specified and well posted "Open" areas and it is actually called "Cross Country" travel by land managers. Everywhere else "Off Road" travel is ilegal.

The correct term for routes that are open to non-licensed drivers and non-street legal vehicles is "Off Highway" routes. Although most of the people on this thread are street legal (dah AdvRider) there is a very large population of Off Highway vehicles with GPS. I know it is a streach but in a perfect world there needs to be autorouting for "Off Highway". This would obviously require map makers to first have all Travel Management routes and also know which dirt roads are (level 3 & up) are only open to licensed vehicles. In many forests that is very fuzzy enforcement.
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:42 AM   #3014
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As there has been a bit of discussion on the Routing Activities, I finally had an "ah ha" moment last night. At some point, sorry I don't know exactly what version this changed, the Avoidances selection menu became a lot more user friendly.
I pointed this out yesterday morning. Do try to keep up, eh?

And in my post at that time: Edit: just checked version 3.97 on my wife's Montana and in that version, it's still got the confusing dialogue/interface so this Avoidances clarification comes with 3.98!
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:36 AM   #3015
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As there has been a bit of discussion on the Routing Activities, I finally had an "ah ha" moment last night. At some point, sorry I don't know exactly what version this changed, the Avoidances selection menu became a lot more user friendly.

Original Avoids menu:



Somewhere in v3.9x Avoidances:



Thanks again Garmin.

Cheers,
Can you get your selection to "stick"? When I select a new item to avoid, like Tool Roads, I get the green checkmark. But when I exit the display and reenter Avoidance Setup, Tool Roads, is unchecked
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