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Old 04-20-2012, 06:56 PM   #3016
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then click on coverage details, you can view them there.
doesnt show much detail???
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:38 PM   #3017
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doesnt show much detail???
How 'bout this?

http://nzopengps.org/

"Synopsis: Free autorouting, street number searchable maps of New Zealand for Garmin mapping GPS. The street maps cover the whole of New Zealand with just about every road and street named in the country (except the Chatham Islands). These maps are free - do not pay for them - there are scumbag Trademe traders who sell them - they are ripping off our community by making money off our hard work.

Project: The New Zealand Open GPS Maps project is a collaborative community-driven project based around a forum. Users report issues or bugs and regional mappers pick up the reports and make changes to the source maps. Usually within 24 - 48 hours a revised version of the map is available for download. The maps are compiled specifically for the Garmin GPS platform as it is one of the only GPS map formats that have 3rd party mapping tools available. We use Stan's fantastic cgpsmapper complier - both on line and off line."
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:37 PM   #3018
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this sounds a very complex peice of equipment....too complex for a complete gps newb?
I am reasonably computer literate .most of my riding is on marked roads but am contemplating a trip which may be on roads not marked on any maps(they arent shown as traced roads on google maps).Can I look at garmin maps for NZ if i dont have a gps?
Paul, I’ve got both the NZ open GPS maps and the Garmin topo maps on my Montana. You’re welcome to come and have a look to see if it’d suit you.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:39 PM   #3019
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... I have no problem with activities that give you a set of options to start with, just let me have full control over the routing parameters. ....
I could accept the concept of Activities if Garmin actually gave you FULL control over the routing paramaters, but they don't. The critical paramater - Follow Roads or Direct/Off Road routing - is not setable in the Activity screen. Garmin treats Direct routing as an Activity itself.

This may be difficult to grasp, but when you select, say, "ATV/Off Road Driving" Activity you'd expect that the routing method would be Direct (as there are no roads where you'd normally drive an ATV) but it uses Follow Roads and hence errors out or produces an erroneous route.

Perhaps my riding areas are different to most, but our DualSport rides use a mixture of backroads (on Garmin CNNA), forest access roads (very few are on CNNA), power line access trails (none on CNNA), and forest single track (none on CNNA). The only way I know to make/use GPS routes for these rides is with Direct (Off Road) routes. The ONLY way to use these routes is by setting a profile to use the Routing Activity for "Direct". So what is the point of Dirt Bike, Mountain Bike, ATV, etc Activities?
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:39 PM   #3020
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I could accept the concept of Activities if Garmin actually gave you FULL control over the routing paramaters, but they don't. The critical paramater - Follow Roads or Direct/Off Road routing - is not setable in the Activity screen. Garmin treats Direct routing as an Activity itself.

This may be difficult to grasp, but when you select, say, "ATV/Off Road Driving" Activity you'd expect that the routing method would be Direct (as there are no roads where you'd normally drive an ATV) but it uses Follow Roads and hence errors out or produces an erroneous route.

Perhaps my riding areas are different to most, but our DualSport rides use a mixture of backroads (on Garmin CNNA), forest access roads (very few are on CNNA), power line access trails (none on CNNA), and forest single track (none on CNNA). The only way I know to make/use GPS routes for these rides is with Direct (Off Road) routes. The ONLY way to use these routes is by setting a profile to use the Routing Activity for "Direct". So what is the point of Dirt Bike, Mountain Bike, ATV, etc Activities?
There are a number of these "Activities" that don't make sense when it comes to Routing and the options available to control the outcome of a Route calculation on the map. ATV/Off Road Driving is a great example. Depending upon the Forest/BLM area you are riding, there may or may not be roads on any routable map. In this case you can select the Lock on Road=NO but it will still not give you Direct Routing. And, since there is no way to create a mixed-route on the Montana due to the route being recalculated every time you switch Activity, ATV/Off Road makes little sense to me as well.

I requested that the Montana Team give the customer community a description of the Objective and Benefits for each of the Routing Activities they have provided. If you think that would be helpful/beneficial please make it know to them via the Montana Beta email.

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Old 04-21-2012, 07:49 AM   #3021
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As there has been a bit of discussion on the Routing Activities, I finally had an "ah ha" moment last night. At some point, sorry I don't know exactly what version this changed, the Avoidances selection menu became a lot more user friendly.

Original Avoids menu:



Somewhere in v3.9x Avoidances:



Thanks again Garmin.

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Old 04-21-2012, 08:03 AM   #3022
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Over eight months ago, I politely asked the Montana Team to increase the size of the zoom control buttons on the map page and to place them on opposite sides of the map so that they could more easily be used with gloves on. Well, today I had my heavier gloves on and could not zoom in on the map. I know, I know...you can simply touch the screen and jump to browse mode and the zoom controls are larger and spaced further apart. But, the basic map screen was bugging me. Sooooo, I've developed the TouchScreen Glove™. Here's a photo of the prototype. I've already filed my patent so don't get any ideas of going down to the local hardware store and buying a sheet of silicone rubber dots and affixing one to your favorite glove with some Super Glue. I'll be looking out for ripoff gloves out there.



Works really well

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No problem, my design will use the dot on the index finger so as not to infringe on your patent!
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:03 AM   #3023
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There are a number of these "Activities" that don't make sense when it comes to Routing and the options available to control the outcome of a Route calculation on the map. ATV/Off Road Driving is a great example.

Depending upon the Forest/BLM area you are riding, there may or may not be roads on any routable map. In this case you can select the Lock on Road=NO but it will still not give you Direct Routing. And, since there is no way to create a mixed-route on the Montana due to the route being recalculated every time you switch Activity, ATV/Off Road makes little sense to me as well. Cheers,
As I have said many times, the 3rd party map makers really need to get the letest Travel Management decisions from each forest in the US into their maps. The world for motorized use in forests has changed in the last couple years.

A problem we have had for years in OHV management is "H" vs. the "R". "Off Road" travel in only legal in very specified and well posted "Open" areas and it is actually called "Cross Country" travel by land managers. Everywhere else "Off Road" travel is ilegal.

The correct term for routes that are open to non-licensed drivers and non-street legal vehicles is "Off Highway" routes. Although most of the people on this thread are street legal (dah AdvRider) there is a very large population of Off Highway vehicles with GPS. I know it is a streach but in a perfect world there needs to be autorouting for "Off Highway". This would obviously require map makers to first have all Travel Management routes and also know which dirt roads are (level 3 & up) are only open to licensed vehicles. In many forests that is very fuzzy enforcement.
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:42 AM   #3024
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As there has been a bit of discussion on the Routing Activities, I finally had an "ah ha" moment last night. At some point, sorry I don't know exactly what version this changed, the Avoidances selection menu became a lot more user friendly.
I pointed this out yesterday morning. Do try to keep up, eh?

And in my post at that time: Edit: just checked version 3.97 on my wife's Montana and in that version, it's still got the confusing dialogue/interface so this Avoidances clarification comes with 3.98!
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:36 AM   #3025
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As there has been a bit of discussion on the Routing Activities, I finally had an "ah ha" moment last night. At some point, sorry I don't know exactly what version this changed, the Avoidances selection menu became a lot more user friendly.

Original Avoids menu:



Somewhere in v3.9x Avoidances:



Thanks again Garmin.

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Can you get your selection to "stick"? When I select a new item to avoid, like Tool Roads, I get the green checkmark. But when I exit the display and reenter Avoidance Setup, Tool Roads, is unchecked
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:31 AM   #3026
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New MapInstall released

Further testing required, but it seems that it may erase any and all map .img files when loading a new map onto an SD card, even if it isn't named "gmapsupp.img" I generally load maps onto a Garmin folder on my iPod's hard drive, then rename and copy onto a device or an SD card. I'm loading 24K topos for the Montana andI know I had a few maps on the iPod, and when I just looked they were all gone with a new "gmapsupp.img" file copied there.

I'll double check and report back, but in the meantime, don't presume your loaded maps are safe just because they've been renamed.
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:34 AM   #3027
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Further testing required, but it seems that it may erase any and all map .img files when loading a new map onto an SD card, even if it isn't named "gmapsupp.img" I generally load maps onto a Garmin folder on my iPod's hard drive, then rename and copy onto a device or an SD card. I'm loading 24K topos for the Montana andI know I had a few maps on the iPod, and when I just looked they were all gone with a new "gmapsupp.img" file copied there.

I'll double check and report back, but in the meantime, don't presume your loaded maps are safe just because they've been renamed.
I've done it many, many times, writing files then renaming them and never has any map been overwritten or deleted unless it was called gmapsupp.img.
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Old 04-21-2012, 01:32 PM   #3028
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I've done it many, many times, writing files then renaming them and never has any map been overwritten or deleted unless it was called gmapsupp.img.
I just confirmed what's going on: MapInstall 4.0.0 released today for Mac will erase any map.img files in the root Garmin folder of a NON-GPS mounted SD card, disk or drive no matter WHAT the map is named. The information in those individual map .img files will then be compiled into a single gmapsupp.img file which will be written back into the folder. It's still there, it's just been renamed and touched. My name is Francis, and I don't want ANY of you touching my stuff.



When writing maps directly to the Montana unit's memory OR to a µSD card in the unit, existing maps appear to be erased, updated, and then rewritten*. There are more options and an updated interface when using the GPS unit instead of writing directly to a disk or drive. When MapInstall is used to place maps directly on the unit's memory, or onto a µSD card inserted into the GPS's slot, the .img files containing maps are renamed with Garmin's names for the maps (need to retest if this is what's happening).

*If you watch the Garmin folder, existing maps .img files disappear when Mapinstall starts building the new map, then reappear after the transfer is done. The file modification date of existing maps is updated to the transfer time. The gmapsupp.img in the folder is overwritten as before, but now it contains the maps that were already there.

It would seem that if you want your map files named something other than what Garmin wants to name them, you will have to load the maps one at a time onto one card or drive, rename them, and then use the finder to move them to the µSD card that you will then insert into the GPS.
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Old 04-21-2012, 02:28 PM   #3029
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Hmmm.

I'm running v3.98, and the Odometer doesn't seem to be resetting even with a switch to Recreational and a Reset All Settings maneuver.

Also, waypoints didn't delete from that same Setup -> Reset -> Delete All Waypoints... but I was able to Delete All from the Waypoint Manager application --> Delete All.

Also, why does the icon for the Track Manager application show a dead guy who's just been crushed by a huge box that must have fallen out of a window?

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I'm running v3.98, and the Odometer doesn't seem to be resetting even with a switch to Recreational and a Reset All Settings maneuver.

Also, waypoints didn't delete from that same Setup -> Reset -> Delete All Waypoints... but I was able to Delete All from the Waypoint Manager application --> Delete All.

Also, why does the icon for the Track Manager application show a dead guy who's just been crushed by a huge box that must have fallen out of a window?

I think the Odometer reset is actually only possible by doing a gps reset, by holding the top left of the screen when you start the unit.

Not the best feature on the Montana, really.
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