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Old 08-10-2012, 09:01 AM   #4621
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Are all these routes and waypoints located in a single list under 'My Collection'?

There are two ways to transfer a list and its contents using Basecamp. One is to use ‘Send To’. The other is ‘Export’. Using ‘Export’ the entire list contents will be in a single file with a *.gpx file extension, (i.e ListName.gpx), You can place its location within the ‘Garmin/GPX’ directory in either the gps’s internal memory or the SDcard. On boot up the gps looks for these *gpx files and loads them.

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So using the export function will automatically name the file the same as the list, i.e. "Colorado Trip" ?

I've been using the Send To function and I end up with a bunch of gpx's named "Route 1, Route 2, Waypoint 1, Waypoint 2", etc.

I have also found that sending a waypoint file to the SD card overwrites the one already there, but sending it to the Montana/Garmin/GPX appends it to whatever is there.

So, if you have several files that came from a List Export function, will you see them as separate files when using the mass storage mode, either in BC or with Windows Explorer, but when viewing them on the Montana they appear as just one list of routes or waypoints?

Still learning after 5 months.....
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:14 AM   #4622
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So using the export function will automatically name the file the same as the list, i.e. "Colorado Trip" ?

I've been using the Send To function and I end up with a bunch of gpx's named "Route 1, Route 2, Waypoint 1, Waypoint 2", etc.

I have also found that sending a waypoint file to the SD card overwrites the one already there, but sending it to the Montana/Garmin/GPX appends it to whatever is there.

So, if you have several files that came from a List Export function, will you see them as separate files when using the mass storage mode, either in BC or with Windows Explorer, but when viewing them on the Montana they appear as just one list of routes or waypoints?

Still learning after 5 months.....
Both BaseCamp and MapInstall are still quite buggy, and not very user friendly in many respects. I do not use either with my Montana because I never know what they will overwrite or delete, although usually something I wanted to keep. I prefer manually organizing the data on my GPSr and uSD card.

My way of doing this is to use BaseCamp and MapInstall to send maps and GPX files to a virtual copy of my Montana GPSr and then transfer them to the Montana and uSD manually.
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Old 08-10-2012, 11:37 AM   #4623
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So using the export function will automatically name the file the same as the list, i.e. "Colorado Trip" ?

I've been using the Send To function and I end up with a bunch of gpx's named "Route 1, Route 2, Waypoint 1, Waypoint 2", etc.

I have also found that sending a waypoint file to the SD card overwrites the one already there, but sending it to the Montana/Garmin/GPX appends it to whatever is there.

So, if you have several files that came from a List Export function, will you see them as separate files when using the mass storage mode, either in BC or with Windows Explorer, but when viewing them on the Montana they appear as just one list of routes or waypoints?

Still learning after 5 months.....
So using the export function will automatically name the file the same as the list, i.e. "Colorado Trip" ?

The resulting gpx file will take the name of the list or you can change it. When you export the list, you will be given the option as to where to place the file. If you want the gps to see it, then place it in the ‘Garmin/GPX’ directory either on the gps or on the SDcard. ‘Export’ main purpose is to save the file to your computer. Several file extensions are available.

I've been using the Send To function and I end up with a bunch of gpx's named "Route 1, Route 2, Waypoint 1, Waypoint 2", etc.

Yes you will, the names aren’t very descriptive are they. By using ‘Export’ all the track, waypoints and routes are in a single gpx file, with the name of the list that contained them in BC.

I have also found that sending a waypoint file to the SD card overwrites the one already there, but sending it to the Montana/Garmin/GPX appends it to whatever is there.

On my 62s the waypoint files are appended, no overwrites appear to take place. But then again, I tried to verified this in a hurry

So, if you have several files that came from a List Export function, will you see them as separate files when using the mass storage mode, either in BC or with Windows Explorer, but when viewing them on the Montana they appear as just one list of routes or waypoints?

Yes, with Windows Explorer. If you use ‘Export’ on several different lists, each one will take the list name with the *.gpx file extension added. You can export all these to the ‘Gamin/GPX’ directory. Each one will have a distinct name. This makes it easy to remove them when you don’t need them. On my 62s, they show up on the gps under ‘Waypoints’, if a waypoint, ‘Routes’ if a route or ‘Tracks’ if it’s a track.

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Old 08-10-2012, 01:19 PM   #4624
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ITS TO FARKIN COMPLICATED I JUST WANT TO GET SOMEWHERE GET HOME UPLOAD ROUTES AND GET THERE - IT PEESES ME OFF
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:51 PM   #4625
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I usually disregard a post like this but if you would like some help I'd be willing to help you understand why your Montana isn't working the way you think it should. So, come back down from your ozone high and tell us what didn't work.

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Old 08-10-2012, 01:59 PM   #4626
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I've been using the Send To function and I end up with a bunch of gpx's named "Route 1, Route 2, Waypoint 1, Waypoint 2", etc.

Yes you will, the names aren’t very descriptive are they. By using ‘Export’ all the track, waypoints and routes are in a single gpx file, with the name of the list that contained them in BC.
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By putting all of your data into a single file, it might make it easier for you "manage" your data but you just negated the Montana's ability to optimize in-memory performance. There are reasons for the way the Montana parses data and I've outlined them several times in this thread. Oh, and aside from the performance issues, you will most likely rediscover the duplicate Waypoint issue if you have a waypoint and a route that uses the waypoint in your GPX file.

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Old 08-10-2012, 02:12 PM   #4627
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I usually disregard a post like this but if you would like some help I'd be willing to help you understand why your Montana isn't working the way you think it should. So, come back down from your ozone high and tell us what didn't work.

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Just venting but man its a gps for savvy people I"ll keep struggling and reading this thread
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:22 PM   #4628
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Yep just happened again.

I just turned it on and no waypoints available in my area, another master reset had to be done

Frustrating and time consuming when you are rushing for an appointment

If this gets me home it is going on EBay and maybe before that

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So far, all of those that have had this type of issue that I know of either had bad hardware and it happened all of the time or was the result of bad Route's and or Waypoint data created by the user. But, one question; are you still using a µSD Card in the unit? If so, you might want to try another card or move your data to internal storage and don't use a µSD card.

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Old 08-10-2012, 02:26 PM   #4629
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The resulting gpx file will take the name of the list or you can change it. When you export the list, you will be given the option as to where to place the file. If you want the gps to see it, then place it in the ‘Garmin/GPX’ directory either on the gps or on the SDcard. ‘Export’ main purpose is to save the file to your computer. Several file extensions are available.

So, if you have several files that came from a List Export function, will you see them as separate files when using the mass storage mode, either in BC or with Windows Explorer, but when viewing them on the Montana they appear as just one list of routes or waypoints?

Yes, with Windows Explorer. If you use ‘Export’ on several different lists, each one will take the list name with the *.gpx file extension added. You can export all these to the ‘Gamin/GPX’ directory. Each one will have a distinct name. This makes it easy to remove them when you don’t need them. On my 62s, they show up on the gps under ‘Waypoints’, if a waypoint, ‘Routes’ if a route or ‘Tracks’ if it’s a track.

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Boy, thanks a bunch Daryl, this will make route and waypoint management WAY easier!
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:36 PM   #4630
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By putting all of your data into a single file, it might make it easier for you "manage" your data but you just negated the Montana's ability to optimize in-memory performance. There are reasons for the way the Montana parses data and I've outlined them several times in this thread.Cheers,
Oh Damn.......somewhere in this monster thread? YOU wouldn't by chance have a URL?

So typically I make a new list for a trip. It might have as many as ten routes and a dozen waypoints for stuff that isn't in the database, or for Topo USA if I'm going to be using that map exclusively. What sort of performance hit am I going to see and how will it manifest itself? (If I Export the whole list as a single file)

I feel just like B2 sometimes!!!
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Oh Damn.......somewhere in this monster thread? YOU wouldn't by chance have a URL?

So typically I make a new list for a trip. It might have as many as ten routes and a dozen waypoints for stuff that isn't in the database, or for Topo USA if I'm going to be using that map exclusively. What sort of performance hit am I going to see and how will it manifest itself? (If I Export the whole list as a single file)

I feel just like B2 sometimes!!!
Here is the post that I was referencing. By the way, with the v4.20 firmware update, data is now parsed the same way on both Internal and the µSD Card to avoid the duplicate waypoint problem and improve performance.

Speaking of performance, If you have a large/long Route with many Via Points and/or Waypoints in it, it's best to have only that Route data in memory. Otherwise the unit must keep track of what's going on with the other data in memory. This could slow down Route updates on the map, recalculation of routing, map freezing, other(?).

Also, if you have a bunch of Routes in a single GPX file along with a large number of Waypoints and any one of the Routes has Via Point or Waypoint issues, in my experience that bad data will effect your interaction with the other data.

By the way, I think the addition of Garmin Adventures functionality will help many of us who do want to be able to "manage" our data on the unit a little better/easier.

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Old 08-10-2012, 04:05 PM   #4632
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Thanks for the link, Dan.


"Speaking of performance, If you have a large/long Route with many Via Points and/or Waypoints in it, it's best to have only that Route data in memory. Otherwise the unit must keep track of what's going on with the other data in memory. This could slow down Route updates on the map, recalculation of routing, map freezing, other(?)."

So if you have one of these biggies it should be the ONLY GPX file loaded onto the unit or the card? I'm confused by the terminology: in memory or as a file. If I understand how it works, the Montana reads all GPX files on the unit and the card upon startup and they then reside in memory until shutdown. Correct?

Also, if you have a bunch of Routes in a single GPX file along with a large number of Waypoints and any one of the Routes has Via Point or Waypoint issues, in my experience that bad data will effect your interaction with the other data.

And if they are in separate files, the bad data will only affect that particular route and not the other routes?

By the way, I think the addition of Garmin Adventures functionality will help many of us who do want to be able to "manage" our data on the unit a little better/easier.
Color me SCEPTICAL!



OK, so here's where we're at....I would love to be able to name each route and waypoint file so that it means something to me 3 weeks later as I look at the filename when I'm cleaning up old trips off the unit or the card using Explorer. If I use the Send To function, it seems I will have to do them one by one and rename them one by one.....since I'm old and get confused easily. Of course I can view the contents of a dozen or so in notepad and then rename them according to the internal name, but these two methods require nearly the same amount of time.

If I do so,will I have the fastest performance and the least likelyhood that one bad data point will screw up the whole lot and maybe crash the unit?

And lastly, do I understand you to say that with 4.20, sending additional waypoint files to the SD card will now NOT overwrite the file that is there but append to it? I've gotten pretty used to using the SD card ONLY for map files, maybe I'll just keep that protocol.
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By the way, I think the addition of Garmin Adventures functionality will help many of us who do want to be able to "manage" our data on the unit a little better/easier.

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Garmin Adventures.......... did I miss something? Are they, or did they, add another function?

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Garmin Adventures.......... did I miss something? Are they, or did they, add another function?

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Only in BaseCamp 4.0xx beta. Future firmware updates will presumably add Adventures to the Montana and other Garmin GPSr units.
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Interesting......thanks.

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