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Old 07-15-2013, 09:06 AM   #8791
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The battery can't jiggle around that much, afaik. I've never heard of the Montana breaking any contacts. The contacts to the Lithium aren't the breakable kind, anyway.
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Old 07-15-2013, 10:01 AM   #8792
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The battery can't jiggle around that much, afaik. I've never heard of the Montana breaking any contacts. The contacts to the Lithium aren't the breakable kind, anyway. The AA connections, on the other hand probably could be broken but I don't hear of many [people using those unless it's an emergency.]
I beg to differ. I posted this in another thread but I'll post it here also.

I'm on my second Montana and I'm starting to think that the unit is just not built for the abuse of an off road bike. I have it set up with the rugged mount on three different bikes, two road bikes and a KTM 690E. The first unit was fine till I used it on a week long expedition on the 690. The second unit just failed after a couple hours of light dual sporting on the washboard Michigan back roads.

Both units that I've had work fine as long as they are in the mount but as soon as I pull the unit or it looses power to the mount it dies immediately.

The pictures below shows the same fate of the both units that I have had. This unit only has one pin broken (originally had 4 pins), my first unit had all four pins broken off. This unit also has a foam block installed at factory and the battery fits very snugly, to the point where its hard to get the battery out.


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Old 07-15-2013, 10:28 AM   #8793
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...This unit only has one pin broken (originally had 4 pins), my first unit had all four pins broken off. ...
Looking at the pictures, it seems to me that it might also have been caused by putting in the battery backside first and then the contacts. Or gettirg it out at the contact side first.
Especially the newer Montana's have a thicker foam at the back of the battery compartment, which makes it difficult pressing it in at the backside. Even I was tempted to press it in at the contacts, but luckily I never did.

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Always put in the battery at the contact side first, then press the back in. And get it out with the backside first!

I don't mean to say that this is the cause of the broken contacts, but a warning on this forum is fear enough I think.
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Old 07-15-2013, 10:36 AM   #8794
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Looking at the pictures, it seems to me that it might also have been caused by putting in the battery backside first and then the contacts. Or gettirg it out at the contact side first.
Especially the newer Montana's have a thicker foam at the back of the battery compartment, which makes it difficult pressing it in at the backside. Even I was tempted to press it in at the contacts, but luckily I never did.

Summar:
Always put in the battery at the contact side first, then press the back in. And get it out with the backside first!

I don't mean to say that this is the cause of the broken contacts, but a warning on this forum is fear enough I think.
Is it even possible to insert the battery this way? The end of the battery with the contacts has two recessed notches that must engage protrusions in the Montana case. I am dubious if it is even possible to press the battery down past these, and I do not think I will press the issue with my Montana. :)
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Old 07-15-2013, 10:46 AM   #8795
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I beg to differ. I posted this in another thread but I'll post it here also.

I'm on my second Montana and I'm starting to think that the unit is just not built for the abuse of an off road bike. I have it set up with the rugged mount on three different bikes, two road bikes and a KTM 690E. The first unit was fine till I used it on a week long expedition on the 690. The second unit just failed after a couple hours of light dual sporting on the washboard Michigan back roads.

Both units that I've had work fine as long as they are in the mount but as soon as I pull the unit or it looses power to the mount it dies immediately.

The pictures below shows the same fate of the both units that I have had. This unit only has one pin broken (originally had 4 pins), my first unit had all four pins broken off. This unit also has a foam block installed at factory and the battery fits very snugly, to the point where its hard to get the battery out.
I've been using the AA batteries with a 690E and off-road riding for near 2 years....the stock Montana battery doesn't tolerate the vibration and I had numerous shutdowns even after stuffing the battery with earplugs, etc.
The AA's will last for months if you're using the powered rugged mount...and no more shutdowns....
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Old 07-15-2013, 10:47 AM   #8796
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I beg to differ. I posted this in another thread but I'll post it here also.

I'm on my second Montana and I'm starting to think that the unit is just not built for the abuse of an off road bike. I have it set up with the rugged mount on three different bikes, two road bikes and a KTM 690E. The first unit was fine till I used it on a week long expedition on the 690. The second unit just failed after a couple hours of light dual sporting on the washboard Michigan back roads.

Both units that I've had work fine as long as they are in the mount but as soon as I pull the unit or it looses power to the mount it dies immediately.

The pictures below shows the same fate of the both units that I have had. This unit only has one pin broken (originally had 4 pins), my first unit had all four pins broken off. This unit also has a foam block installed at factory and the battery fits very snugly, to the point where its hard to get the battery out.


My answer.........TAKE ALL BATTERIES OUT!!!

A year ago my Montana started to reset while riding. I was going to send it back then I tried all these different methods (suggested here on ADVrider) of inserting batteries (both styles) a certain way..........however,the solution which has worked great since, connect it to a direct power source and leave the batteries OUT!! I keep both style batteries on the bike in a bag and use it for backup only. I hardly ever need to take the GPS off the bike. Yes, this is not for everyone but it's worked without a hitch for me.

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Old 07-15-2013, 11:54 AM   #8797
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With every unit I've owned *except* the x78/x96's I've experienced (half a dozen?) and heard of waaaaay too many unit failures (won't operate from batteries any longer) when running in high-vibration environments with batteries installed. The x78/x96's have to have the batteries installed in order to keep their IPX7 rating and ironically [in a very good way] they are the only units that don't seem to suffer failure from running with batteries installed.

Bottom line for me is that when operating a unit in high-vibration environments, if the unit is still sealed without batteries, they go in my pocket.



The floptana makes me miss the x78/x96's a *lot*....
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:18 PM   #8798
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With every unit I've owned *except* the x78/x96's I've experienced (half a dozen?) and heard of waaaaay too many unit failures (won't operate from batteries any longer) when running in high-vibration environments with batteries installed. The x78/x96's have to have the batteries installed in order to keep their IPX7 rating and ironically [in a very good way] they are the only units that don't seem to suffer failure from running with batteries installed.

Bottom line for me is that when operating a unit in high-vibration environments, if the unit is still sealed without batteries, they go in my pocket.



The floptana makes me miss the x78/x96's a *lot*....
Hmmm, one of the main reasons I got rid of my POS 478 was because I had 3 batteries fail in a year. Talk about a unit that would fall apart in a high vibration environment. And you're right, when the battery fails the unit won't work with bike power, so it becomes an overpriced bar ornament.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:23 PM   #8799
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I beg to differ. I posted this in another thread but I'll post it here also.

I'm on my second Montana and I'm starting to think that the unit is just not built for the abuse of an off road bike. I have it set up with the rugged mount on three different bikes, two road bikes and a KTM 690E. The first unit was fine till I used it on a week long expedition on the 690. The second unit just failed after a couple hours of light dual sporting on the washboard Michigan back roads.

Both units that I've had work fine as long as they are in the mount but as soon as I pull the unit or it looses power to the mount it dies immediately.

The pictures below shows the same fate of the both units that I have had. This unit only has one pin broken (originally had 4 pins), my first unit had all four pins broken off. This unit also has a foam block installed at factory and the battery fits very snugly, to the point where its hard to get the battery out.


Do you think that the orientation of the unit might contribute to or reduce this kind of breakage?
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How do I get english back as default language?
My finger slipped when I was going for the english icon and now I'm stuck in a language other than english?
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:20 PM   #8801
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What does that piece of tape do?
Keeps the clip over the memory card in place.
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:23 PM   #8802
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:25 PM   #8803
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The pictures below shows the same fate of the both units that I have had. This unit only has one pin broken (originally had 4 pins), my first unit had all four pins broken off. This unit also has a foam block installed at factory and the battery fits very snugly, to the point where its hard to get the battery out.
Ok, I see yours are broken. Never seen a broken one here, and we have had 3 Montanas over the last couple of years. It does look to me like that kind of damage doesn't happen while the battery's in place, under normal use, though. As some others have said, it looks more like battery insertion or removal damage.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:21 PM   #8804
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Ok, I see yours are broken. Never seen a broken one here, and we have had 3 Montanas over the last couple of years. It does look to me like that kind of damage doesn't happen while the battery's in place, under normal use, though. As others have said, it looks more like battery insertion or removal damage.
Just checked, only one way the battery can be inserted/removed.

The only time the battery was out was when the unit was new to check that all the contacts were where they were supposed to be, and to insert the memory card.

All I can say is it's a good thing Cabela's has a good return policy, though it is a PIA to reload all the maps.



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As others have said, it looks more like battery insertion or removal damage.
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