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Old 04-14-2014, 07:58 PM   #10696
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I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere in this 715 page thread, but can anyone tell me why the Montana (and other modern Garmins) limit routes to only 50 viapoints? Is it a physical limitation (memory), a software limitation (code), or maybe a strange corporate decision limitation (bean-counters)?
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:52 PM   #10697
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Holy crap 715 pages!!??!! Sorry but the search function is way too sucky for 700+ pages. So here is my problem.

I just got the 600 and 100k US Topo. I have been trying to bring tracks over from Google Earth and am having ZERO luck. I'm able to get the conversion from KML to GPX just fine and everything looks good in Basecamp. However going to my 600, I get a 50 point limit error. If I try to convert to a route, I get a not routeable in my map area message. So what do I need to do? Buy City Navigator so I can plan routes and swap back to Topo when off road? How are these guys doing rides like the CDT with routes or tracks? I thought it would be tracks because of so much dirt road but really? 50 points in the mountains? What am I missing?
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:15 PM   #10698
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Holy crap 715 pages!!??!!

Dunno about 715 pages but my page display settings give me 1072 pages.

I just got the 600 and 100k US Topo. I have been trying to bring tracks over from Google Earth and am having ZERO luck. I'm able to get the conversion from KML to GPX just fine and everything looks good in Basecamp. However going to my 600, I get a 50 point limit error.

You must be mistaken - Routes have a 50 point limit - Tracks are 10,000 points.

If I try to convert to a route, I get a not routeable in my map area message.

How are you trying to convert that? In Basecamp? Mapsource? The gps?

So what do I need to do? Buy City Navigator so I can plan routes and swap back to Topo when off road?

OSM maps are awesome and getting better all the time. You might want to try those before buying CityNav. Here are some, ready to download.

How are these guys doing rides like the CDT with routes or tracks? I thought it would be tracks because of so much dirt road but really? 50 points in the mountains? What am I missing?
See responses above.
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:19 PM   #10699
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OSM maps are awesome and getting better all the time. You might want to try those before buying CityNav. Here are some, ready to download.
Tried OSM, but my computer says there is a bad virus in the file when I downloaded a Windows version.
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:25 PM   #10700
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Tried OSM, but my computer says there is a bad virus in the file when I downloaded a Windows version.
Were you using MS Internet Explorer to download the file? Odds are that was a false positive. I've downloaded many times from the OSM site I posted and the OSM project site and never once had any issue.
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Old 04-16-2014, 07:16 PM   #10701
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Hmmm........ you must be mistaken.........it was 1072 posts, not pages

Regardless,

The 600 was only allowing 50 points in a track. Basecamp was used to try to convert from a Track file to a route as a way around the limited number of points allowed.

I'll give OSM a look, thanks!
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Old 04-16-2014, 07:24 PM   #10702
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Hmmm........ you must be mistaken.........it was 1072 posts, not pages
Nope, you're mistaken. It's 10,719 posts. A bit of a difference.
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Old 04-16-2014, 07:41 PM   #10703
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Nope, you're mistaken. It's 10,719 posts. A bit of a difference.
Especially when it comes to pages
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Old 04-17-2014, 09:14 AM   #10704
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What a difference a day makes! Started from scratch this morning and was able to get all of my tracks loaded to the 600 just fine. Gawd being a N00b at tech stuff sure sux at times.

Made my track on Google Earth, saved as KML file. Opened the file in GPSTrackMaker, and saved the file as a .GPX file. Opened in Basecamp and sent to the unit. Must have been holding my mouth wrong or something?
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Old 04-17-2014, 09:38 AM   #10705
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Not sure why you're using Google Earth, but I use Google Maps for the terrain and Sat views. I get directions between two points, drag the route to the roads I want, save to my maps, export it as a KML and it opens right up in Basecamp every time.
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Old 04-17-2014, 09:46 AM   #10706
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Not sure why you're using Google Earth, but I use Google Maps for the terrain and Sat views. I get directions between two points, drag the route to the roads I want, save to my maps, export it as a KML and it opens right up in Basecamp every time.
Doing that way because I was using this method several years ago while creating files for Lowrance units used in racing in Baja. Now, based on what you've said, I'll be going straight from Google Maps to Basecamp from now on. Thanks for the info!
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Old 04-17-2014, 09:51 AM   #10707
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I always start with "walking directions". This creates a direct route that avoids highways and often gives good ideas for back roads.
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Old 04-17-2014, 10:31 AM   #10708
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I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere in this 715 page thread, but can anyone tell me why the Montana (and other modern Garmins) limit routes to only 50 viapoints? Is it a physical limitation (memory), a software limitation (code), or maybe a strange corporate decision limitation (bean-counters)?
There's no hardware/software reason just schlock product management decisions.

It's a relatively lousy unit for on-road use.

Unlike some of the decent routing units it also doesn't support finds near current route, detour, multiple vias in on-the-fly routes, finds while map panning, selective deletion of recent finds, etc. It also thinks we're all terribly afraid of left and u-turns and would rather route us an extra mile through residential to avoid them. Oh yeah it doesn't show many if any street names while you're in motion.
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:19 AM   #10709
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I always start with "walking directions". This creates a direct route that avoids highways and often gives good ideas for back roads.
I like that tip...
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Old 04-17-2014, 12:48 PM   #10710
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I always start with "walking directions". This creates a direct route that avoids highways and often gives good ideas for back roads.
OK I gave it a shot, and it works pretty slick, HOWEVER, it does not allow for forest service roads/dirt logging roads that you can even see on Google maps! So it looks like it basically only works for paved roads, or am I missing something?
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