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Old 08-16-2012, 07:36 PM   #721
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Had a front tubeless E07 suddenly deflate south of Goondiwindi last Friday, causing me to come off the bike. I may have had a slow leak and the rough road may have caused the bead to move off the rim. I had done almost 7000Km on front and rear and were/are very happy with them. Front tyre was blown up with two co2 bottles and as far as I know it is still inflated. I prefer the E07 over the K60 Scout, which is a good tyre, but the carcass is too stiff for my liking.
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:34 PM   #722
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I'm not a fan of the E09 front either. On the front of my DR, I've used a 606, and a couple of MT21s, and now using Pirelli Scorpion Rally up front, with a new one, and a new E07 rear just fitted to head to Qld next week. The E09 front just doesn't have enough knob to bite, or something, for me. Still like the E09s up back, but a T63 does the same thing, for a lot less $ here at the moment. The Scorpion Rally front is excellent everywhere, and lasts about the same as an MT21 and doesn't need turning to even up the wear. Guess I gotta try a Army Special sometime.

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I wasn't going to add my comments about the E09 front, but I have changed my mind.

I think it would be fine on fim gravel roads and tar, but keep away from soft stuff.

I had one on the front of my DRZ400 in the Little Desert and it would not steer in deep sand. I ended up in a helicopter going to Melbourne with a broken leg. I also nearly damaged my spinal cord ( severe bruising only thank God )The front end tucked under and the DRZ landed on me. So I am not a fan of this tyre on the front. Rear E09 is fine.

My assesment is that the tyre is too small in profile to float in anything soft and the knobs are too short. it just digs in and pushes in the sand (understeer).

It coud have been rider error, but I have years of sand experience, and other riders on my bike agreed it was handling poorly that day.


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The front tyres in this photo are from the left a Starcross HP4 90/100, then the Mitas 90/90, a half worn Dunlop 606 90/90, a new Pirelli scorpion 80/100 and a worn Dunlop 742 80/100 .

The Mitas is a more rounded and smaller tyre in profile than the 606 of the same size and way smaller than the StarcrossHP4.. I have tried the HP4 in soft sand since the accident and it is superior even though it is a hard terrain tyre.
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:29 AM   #723
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First of all let me tell you that Im really sorry that you crashed.
Im really happy that you are here .... to tell what happened.
And if we read comment carefully ... and we should do it word by word.... there are several precious informations in your statement.


For now, I would like to keep my statement just plain ...without many further words.

When I use sometimes the CCM 400 ( same engine ,..different frame when the DRZ.. but Im not sure what the real difference is) of of friend of mine I use Motorcross tires for the front too.

The ground here is deep sand / sump ... Im going to 80/100 and as low pressure as possible.
A "Dualsport" ready for 190km/h and to carry the front of a fully loaded F800GS is not the right tire for this.

Regardless the brand...
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:38 AM   #724
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First of all let me tell you that Im really sorry that you crashed.
Im really happy that you are here .... to tell what happened.
And if we read comment carefully ... and we should do it word by word.... there are several precious informations in your statement.


For now, I would like to keep my statement just plain ...without many further words.

When I use sometimes the CCM 400 ( same engine ,..different frame when the DRZ.. but Im not sure what the real difference is) of of friend of mine I use Motorcross tires for the front too.

The ground here is deep sand / sump ... Im going to 80/100 and as low pressure as possible.
A "Dualsport" ready for 190km/h and to carry the front of a fully loaded F800GS is not the right tire for this.

Regardless the brand...
yep a E-09 front is not for you,ac-10 yes,E-07 rear cant fault them(bloody good tyre)
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Old 08-18-2012, 06:44 AM   #725
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AC-10 is made in our moulds too...

XT-914 ...
C-19 ....
C-19 Super (Enduro type of the C-19)

Any Cross / Enduro made for soft / medium ground.
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:01 PM   #726
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[The ground here is deep sand / sump ... Im going to 80/100 and as low pressure as possible.
A "Dualsport" ready for 190km/h and to carry the front of a fully loaded F800GS is not the right tire for this.

Regardless the brand...[/QUOTE]

Without doubt I made a poor judgement trying to ride in soft sand on a dual sport tyre. If I had listened to advice I would have left my Suzuki at home and taken my Yamaha WRF290 with a sand tyre (S12 Michelin) on the front. But stupid me wanted to see if the E09 would be OK in sand in preparation for a rally I wanted to do. I knew within the first 100 M that i had made a mistake, but I thought I would be capable of riding despite the tyres. Pride goes before a fall it is said, and now I am still limping 10 months later.

I have adjusted the rear brake lever to give quicker rear brake action, had the suspension altered again, put on a steering damper and fitted the Starcross HP4 tyre. With all that the Yamaha is still better in sand, but that is what one would expect with about 20 Kg less weight and similar power; right?
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:15 AM   #727
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... the E-09 is "ok" ,... but not a bit more.... unless the fact that you can deflate to 0,9 bars (14 psi )easily. ... and its still nothing more then a compromise.

In last spring some US and Canadian dealers did their "Baja" down in CA. Clearly a battle in the sand. But the the bikes were fully loaded 450 - 690s . Still no magic things from the E-09 front but much better behave ... like a Dualsport have to act... ( ...even there is a space for Improvement)

Started under laughing with the lowest lugs ,... ended up under applause with the highest

Its not the contour of a dismantled tire you need to look for. You need to look for the contour under pressure from above ( weight ) , inside ( Inflation) outside ( bumps )

The Dualsport must carry 20kg + 60km/h more. You couldnt expect the same patch on the ground with the same pressure.
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:45 PM   #728
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from the Mitas Oz facebook;

150/70-17 and 150/70-18 E-09 DAKAR versions have arrived!

This means that the following range of options for the larger adventure-tourers is now IN STOCK IN AUSTRALIA:

150/70-17: E-07, E-08, E-09D and E-10
150/70-18: E-07, E-08, E-09D and
E-10
100/90-19: E-07, E-08, E-09A and E-09D
110/80-19: E-07, E-08, E-09A and E-10
90/90-21: E-07, E-08, E-09A, E-09D and E-10.

(We are stil waiting on the Dakar version of 110/80-19 - for now you can use the regular Adventure version, or get the Dakar in 100/90-19. Check with your dealer for compatibility).
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:50 AM   #729
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well the mitas E09 has just hit the legal limit with around 3mm of tread left. i got 5000km from it on an FE570 doing a mix of dirt and adventure riding, and trying to minimise wheel spin and sliding etc, 32psi on bitumen and around 18psi off road.

i thought this was good mileage but the guy i ride with most of the time had a D606 on his KTM 690 and got close to the same mileage, and he wheel spins and slides everywhere. so i'm thinking of trying the D606 next as its about two thirds the price of the mitas.

thing is i had dunlop D606 rears on the old DR650 and i couldn't get more than 2000km out of them. so just wondering if they have gone to a harder compound? i had no complaints with the E09 other than the price being pretty high at $170 for a rear tyre....
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:26 AM   #730
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well the mitas E09 has just hit the legal limit with around 3mm of tread left. i got 5000km from it on an FE570 doing a mix of dirt and adventure riding, and trying to minimise wheel spin and sliding etc, 32psi on bitumen and around 18psi off road.

i thought this was good mileage but the guy i ride with most of the time had a D606 on his KTM 690 and got close to the same mileage, and he wheel spins and slides everywhere. so i'm thinking of trying the D606 next as its about two thirds the price of the mitas.

thing is i had dunlop D606 rears on the old DR650 and i couldn't get more than 2000km out of them. so just wondering if they have gone to a harder compound? i had no complaints with the E09 other than the price being pretty high at $170 for a rear tyre....
With a 120/90/18 606 vs 130/80/18 E09 I get 3,500 vs 5,000 kms. I've also found the Michelin T63 seems to be about the same as the E09 and they go down this way for $120-130. Far better value. On out last Flinders trip, 4 DRs, 1 T63 on mine, made in Czecho, 1 K60, 1 606 and 1 E09 Dakar. The 606 was toast, a slick at 5,000, the E09 and T63 had about 3-4 mm left, and K60 is now finished at just under 8,000. The T63 wins easily on $/km, and performance is OK too. YMMV, FWIW
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Old 08-26-2012, 02:19 AM   #731
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Always got around 5-6000 klms out of a rear 606 on the 650.

I think you need a new front tyre before you worry about the rear.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:00 AM   #732
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well the mitas E09 has just hit the legal limit with around 3mm of tread left. i got 5000km from it on an FE570 doing a mix of dirt and adventure riding, and trying to minimise wheel spin and sliding etc, 32psi on bitumen and around 18psi off road.

i thought this was good mileage but the guy i ride with most of the time had a D606 on his KTM 690 and got close to the same mileage, and he wheel spins and slides everywhere. so i'm thinking of trying the D606 next as its about two thirds the price of the mitas.

thing is i had dunlop D606 rears on the old DR650 and i couldn't get more than 2000km out of them. so just wondering if they have gone to a harder compound? i had no complaints with the E09 other than the price being pretty high at $170 for a rear tyre....

This might be another case of comparing different sizes of the same tyre - 17" DR rears v the 18" sizes.
I ride a bit of tar to get to the good bits and getting a 606 rear to 3000 klm is a stretch.
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:14 PM   #733
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Always got around 5-6000 klms out of a rear 606 on the 650.
I think you need a new front tyre before you worry about the rear.
do you think the slick front tyre could be why i had the occasional traction problem yesterday in gravel?
thanks for the replies. i might give the T63 a try, team moto is doing the pair fitted for $215.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:20 PM   #734
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Going back to the E07 for the GSA.

Craig White is a very accommodating supplier in Sydney - well priced, great service, I guess the only fall out is his time frame for doing the fitting - Saturdays or Thursday evenings.

http://www.wrp.net.au/contact.html
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:35 PM   #735
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I had E07`s on my 1100GS when I came down, I found them a good strong tire and after about 7000Km the rear had heaps of tread left.

Already have E07s mounted on the R100GS rims, ready for when the bike is finished.
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