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Old 12-20-2010, 03:13 PM   #16
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Yep, the current ZX10R is totally and completely different :)

It does look like a lovely bike, but I always wonder why not buy a purebred superbike, add helibars, an aftermarket seat and luggage? Would you not end up with the same touring ability but with much more power and less weight?
Less power may equal better fuel efficiency, and less weight doesn't necessarily a better touring bike make...
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:38 PM   #17
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It does look like a lovely bike, but I always wonder why not buy a purebred superbike, add helibars, an aftermarket seat and luggage? Would you not end up with the same touring ability but with much more power and less weight?
Well, for one thing, the Ninja 1000 is almost three grand cheaper than the ZX-10R. It's the smartest option for people who don't need the fastest/lightest combination for their cross-country tours.
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Old 12-20-2010, 07:14 PM   #18
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saw and sat on it at the IMS. nice option. the front screen is adjustable. very comfy.
The adjuster is incredible....one hand to adjust without tools....adjust is less than a second.



Uses the same bags as the Versys.
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Old 12-20-2010, 07:26 PM   #19
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Yep, the current ZX10R is totally and completely different :)

It does look like a lovely bike, but I always wonder why not buy a purebred superbike, add helibars, an aftermarket seat and luggage? Would you not end up with the same touring ability but with much more power and less weight?
You also have to consider the manner in which the power is delivered. More does not always equal better, especially for a multi-use bike. If you can manage a flatter torque curve at lower RPM's without completely sacrificing an exciting top end...well, you've got a better bike. It's one of the reasons I like my Bandit. And it's the reason I'm really interested in this new Ninja. Usable power that's effortless to access. You can have your cake and eat it too.
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Old 12-22-2010, 12:52 AM   #20
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It looks beautiful.
Esp if you dont want an out and out sports bike but more of a mile muncher that can play in the twisties also .
2 points though - The pillion seat looks like a torture rack for any decent distance and the riders seat dosen't look too hot either.

- the exhaust looks like it vents directly onto the side panniers . THe outcome of that we'll have to wait and see i guess.

Other wise it looks like a winner.



not enough for me to give up my fjr though.
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:20 AM   #21
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:59 AM   #22
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I hear ya on cheaper, but sport bikes are ultra cheap on the used market. Less weight is always better from my perspective. I totally agree with the comments re a flatter power curve with more down low. I'd love to see the power curve from this overlayed with a ZX10 and maybe a 1198.

I've been touring on a TL1000S and love the fat power curve of the v2 motor. I also had a bandit for a summer and put 9k miles on it IIRC. Loads of low end, but ran out of breath pretty quickly. I got bored of it almost as quickly

I do like the idea of it a lot, not knocking it just trying to gauge what it is people like about it vs a sport bike. If it had lots of room for a passenger to get comfortable I'd be very interested, but for my personal solo purposes its hard for me to see why I'd want it over a lightly used sport bike (preferably one sporting a 90 deg twin).

The factory luggage is also a nice touch, I just wish they'd thrown on comfy seating for two :)


EDIT: Just looked up some dyno charts - looks like the tourer pulls a 2yr old the ZX10 to about 5k rpm, then they are pretty much the same from 6-8k rpm and the ZX runs off and leaves it above 8. Of course this doesn't take into account weight differences. The 1098 seems to match it almost exactly to 7k, then runs off and leaves it (all these charts I got from two brothers with their slip-on). A 1098 feels like it pulls really strong from low to mid, so that the z1000 matches it is a very good thing!

http://www.twobros.com/Cust_Service/Dyno_Charts/

the factory luggage is also a nice touch, I just wish they'd thrown on comfy seating for two :)
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:01 AM   #23
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mrbreeze.....

....your link took me to a video of two chubby teens sliding on wet grass.

Either you are a very disturbed individual, or you need to re-link your link.

As to the aforementioned Ninja 1000, no ABS?!?! Really?! Come'on Man!!!!

If that bike had ABS I would sell my V-Strom and Monster and buy it today.

You gotta be kidding me.
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:19 AM   #24
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....your link took me to a video of two chubby teens sliding on wet grass.

Either you are a very disturbed individual, or you need to re-link your link.

As to the aforementioned Ninja 1000, no ABS?!?! Really?! Come'on Man!!!!

If that bike had ABS I would sell my V-Strom and Monster and buy it today.

You gotta be kidding me.
Those girls don't look chubby to me. I think you are the disturbed one.

I do agree about the ABS, I wouldn't be surprised to see them offer it in the future. I suspect they are trying anything they can right now to keep the price down in this economy.
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:51 AM   #25
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More alternator please. 338W ain't enough on a modern bike.
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:50 PM   #26
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....your link took me to a video of two chubby teens sliding on wet grass.

Either you are a very disturbed individual, or you need to re-link your link.

As to the aforementioned Ninja 1000, no ABS?!?! Really?! Come'on Man!!!!

If that bike had ABS I would sell my V-Strom and Monster and buy it today.

You gotta be kidding me.
the link takes you to my youtube channel. I don't know why the one with the kids pops up first. But all the rest of them are motorcycle related.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:53 PM   #27
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1+ on the Pillion seat

Looks pretty rough for the passenger. The foot pegs are pretty high also. Okay if the pillion is in their twenties.
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Old 12-23-2010, 07:53 AM   #28
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The Ninja 1000 is definitely in consideration for my next bike. I'll try to sit on one at the NYC IMS. Thanks for posting up the pics all,
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Old 12-23-2010, 08:27 AM   #29
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I like the bags, the ergos and the power. MCN loves it, too. How come EU gets ABS, and USA not. Probably because kawasquids don't need no stinking abs (but I do).
I would wager the ABS version adds at least another grand to the retail pricepoint.
The extra grand will kill the sales potential in the USA,IMHO.

Everytime I go into the local Suzie shop and look at the ABS 1050 Bandit, the "former flat track racer star salesguy" tells me ABS is garbage!

So I just tell him, no thanks, I'll stick to my beemer.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:38 AM   #30
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I would wager the ABS version adds at least another grand to the retail pricepoint.
The extra grand will kill the sales potential in the USA,IMHO.

Everytime I go into the local Suzie shop and look at the ABS 1050 Bandit, the "former flat track racer star salesguy" tells me ABS is garbage!

So I just tell him, no thanks, I'll stick to my beemer.
another salesman destined for a career change. Where do these people come from?

I was going to point out for those who want ABS on a bike like this, Suzuki offers it.
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