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Old 06-18-2011, 09:07 PM   #691
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point of fact, baby boomers were post WWII, call it 45-50. They're entering their 70's. FYI.
That would be a point of misinformation.

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The United States Census Bureau considers a baby boomer to be someone born during the demographic birth boom between 1946 and 1964.
In other words, from age 47 to 65.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer
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Old 06-18-2011, 10:22 PM   #692
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One final thing and it is the big issue, price, price, price.

If it goes beyond 8,500 it simply will be too much and I'll end up on a used one or a G650GS if it is smooth enough or another capable, cheaper, and economic (reliability/MPG) motorcycle.
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Old 06-19-2011, 02:47 AM   #693
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That would be a point of misinformation.

In other words, from age 47 to 65.
I always thought that the generally accepted end of the baby boom was around the time of Kennedy's election - 1960/1. I have never seen the end of the period stated as being as late as 1964 before. That means even my little brother (b 1962) is a baby boomer and we have always told him that he was too young. I hope he doesn't read this thread.
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Old 06-19-2011, 03:21 AM   #694
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BTW Rider magazine has a comparison test with the Triumph 800. The difference in their measured weight is 6 lbs - almost exactly the weight of the extra 0.8 gallon of gas the V-Strom holds.
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Old 06-19-2011, 03:30 AM   #695
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BTW Rider magazine has a comparison test with the Triumph 800. The difference in their measured weight is 6 lbs - almost exactly the weight of the extra 0.8 gallon of gas the V-Strom holds.
And what were the weights they came up with?
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Old 06-19-2011, 04:28 AM   #696
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Actually it was 8 lbs, 481 to 489.
Tiger had 83.9 hp (+32%) and 51.2 ft lbs of torque (+24%).
DL650A had 63.5hp and 41.2 ft lbs of torque.


Tiger had a high mpg of 50.1, low of 32.7, average 38.4. Estimated range 192.
DL650A had a high mpg of 50.6, low of 41.8, average 45.9 (+19.5%). Estimated range 266 mi.

Tiger suspension travel 7.1" front 6.7" rear vs. DL 5.9/5.9.

They liked the Tiger better off road, They thought the V-Strom was better on the highway, solo or two-up. They thought braking was about the same. They preferred the looks and sound of the Tiger, but noted the much woder dealer and aftermarket support for the V-Strom.

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Remember what I said about the V-Stroms loyal following? It's based on a solid foundation of experience, not ego. Owners want the V-Stroms comfort, versatility, reliability, touring range, and deep aftermarket support, and they don't want to spend too much for it.
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Old 06-19-2011, 04:50 AM   #697
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Actually it was 8 lbs, 481 to 489.
Tiger had 83.9 hp (+32%) and 51.2 ft lbs of torque (+24%).
DL650A had 63.5hp and 41.2 ft lbs of torque.

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Gladius figures I can find suggest ~ 72HP and 47 ft lb's and even better fuel numbers than the existing DL's. Playing with valve sizing, cams and timing can probably squeeze out more torque at the low end at the expense of rpm up top.

Still not up there with the Tiger, but a lot closer just with the obvious engine update. Loose some weight and it's going to be quite close on power/weight. (Add in the rider weight and the power/weight figures get a lot closer to start with)

Add a variant with 1" more suspension front and rear (and say a 21" wheel up front) as an 'X' model and they are done. Very little change in base price structure of the DL we all love now and just a small premium for the 'X' version.

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Old 06-19-2011, 06:03 AM   #698
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Pricing...

"If it goes beyond $8,500......"

Count on it.

You folks had better WAKE UP about pricing.

The cost of steel, aluminum, copper, etc., is through the roof.

The number of bikes sold is way down.

The cost of fuel to ship these machines is way up.

The days of cheap bikes and cars are OVER, like the Sopranos, and are NOT coming back.

Wake up and smell the hyper-inflation.

You people live in fantasy land.

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Old 06-19-2011, 08:12 AM   #699
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Motorcycle pricing isn't based on the cost of materials.


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"If it goes beyond $8,500......"

Count on it.

You folks had better WAKE UP about pricing.

The cost of steel, aluminum, copper, etc., is through the roof.

The number of bikes sold is way down.

The cost of fuel to ship these machines is way up.

The days of cheap bikes and cars are OVER, like the Sopranos, and are NOT coming back.

Wake up and smell the hyper-inflation.

You people live in fantasy land.
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Old 06-19-2011, 08:38 AM   #700
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"If it goes beyond $8,500......"

Count on it.

You folks had better WAKE UP about pricing.

The cost of steel, aluminum, copper, etc., is through the roof.

The number of bikes sold is way down.

The cost of fuel to ship these machines is way up.

The days of cheap bikes and cars are OVER, like the Sopranos, and are NOT coming back.

Wake up and smell the hyper-inflation.

You people live in fantasy land.

I agree, cycle pricing is generally going up about 200-300 bucks a year, for bikes with no changes at all. The current Wee ABS is 8100.00. Figure about 200-300 increase for a 2012 Wee that looks the same. Now figure in the cost of the remodel, and all the marketing bullshit they've got to pay for.

I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that if this new bike has new features, it's going to come in around 8999.99. If it's the same bike with different plastics, 8499.00.

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Old 06-19-2011, 08:44 AM   #701
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...all the marketing bullshit they've got to pay for.
What marketing? You mean the bad photos taken in less than a minute (for all of them), the quick line sketches and the $1.99 scenic photos from iStockPhoto?

That should add at least 500 bucks per bike. Those marketing guys need their pay, especially for putting on such a stunning campaign.

Ok, I'm done.
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Old 06-19-2011, 08:47 AM   #702
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"If it goes beyond $8,500......"

Count on it.

You folks had better WAKE UP about pricing.

The cost of steel, aluminum, copper, etc., is through the roof.

The number of bikes sold is way down.

The cost of fuel to ship these machines is way up.

The days of cheap bikes and cars are OVER, like the Sopranos, and are NOT coming back.

Wake up and smell the hyper-inflation.

You people live in fantasy land.

I agree, our $ is not worth the paper it's printed on any more, head over to Europe or down to Australia or, even up to Canada and you can see that.
BUT, we are a huge market and if the prices are right, merkins will buy.
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Old 06-19-2011, 09:36 AM   #703
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Actually it was 8 lbs, 481 to 489.
Tiger had 83.9 hp (+32%) and 51.2 ft lbs of torque (+24%).
DL650A had 63.5hp and 41.2 ft lbs of torque.


Tiger had a high mpg of 50.1, low of 32.7, average 38.4. Estimated range 192.
DL650A had a high mpg of 50.6, low of 41.8, average 45.9 (+19.5%). Estimated range 266 mi.

Tiger suspension travel 7.1" front 6.7" rear vs. DL 5.9/5.9.

They liked the Tiger better off road, They thought the V-Strom was better on the highway, solo or two-up. They thought braking was about the same. They preferred the looks and sound of the Tiger, but noted the much woder dealer and aftermarket support for the V-Strom.
Any chance you could scan that article and post it here?
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Old 06-19-2011, 09:58 AM   #704
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That would be a point of misinformation.

In other words, from age 47 to 65.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer
That was my understanding too - although I was born in 1964 and am still only 46!
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Old 06-19-2011, 10:35 AM   #705
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That was my understanding too - although I was born in 1964 and am still only 46!

Who gives a crap!!!!!

If we don't see a bike soon, nobody will be talking to each other on this forum.
Lets do a litte poll here.

How many people here, are ready, right now, to plonk down US10K + fee's for the bike if it comes with.

A. Beautiful dakar looking fairing.
B. Top quality suspension, ie more travel than the GS800 or Tiger.
C. 250 mile range.
D. Spoked 18" and 21" wheels.
E. An 800cc motor, which we all know will be bullet proof.

Am I hearing "naw, too close to the price of the Triumph or GS800"
See, this is what the Sukuki marketeers are hearing too.

I'll be happy with a bog standard cheapo model, hopefully with a more KTM, Dakar look to it and I guess build what I want with aftermarket parts. Yes it would be great to see them come out with the ADV option but, for the prices they sell for, they need volume of sales.

An Ideal situation, is they offer the frame and motor as standard items and stock a range of options in the store to build your own.

"What wheels do you want with the bike sir? The spoked exel ones, great choice, ok, what size sir?" "Rear shock, front shock?, handlebar's?, take a look at our selection, seat?, big or small tank?"

"OK, sir, thats a total of $XX. Have a seat in the lounge and the bike will be ready in an hour, thank you"

This would be an ideal situation. It's like buying a camera with those silly SD cards in them. Just put in a 4 gig and charge more, oh wait, people would not buy then, bacause the camera would be $20 more but, no problem to come back the next day and buy the 4 gig card. Marketing is a tough one. Price the bike at$8,999 or $9000, which will sell more.
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