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Old 08-10-2012, 12:12 PM   #1021
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Y'all are amazing. Do y'all brake check tailgaters too?



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Old 08-12-2012, 11:27 AM   #1022
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Y'all are amazing. Do y'all brake check tailgaters too?



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Old 08-12-2012, 02:56 PM   #1023
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Y'all are amazing. Do y'all brake check tailgaters too?



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Nope.
On a bike, no such shenanigans at all.
In a car, this:
If after several friendly hints and then overt gestures to please back off and they still do it, I slow down a tiny bit to get them closer, then downshift-check them.
No brake lights, much more effective.
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Old 08-12-2012, 04:17 PM   #1024
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Nope.
On a bike, no such shenanigans at all.
In a car, this:
If after several friendly hints and then overt gestures to please back off and they still do it, I slow down a tiny bit to get them closer, then downshift-check them.
No brake lights, much more effective.
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Old 08-12-2012, 04:32 PM   #1025
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Jesus Christ! I feel really sorry for some of you guys who drive in CA! Seriously, it's a beautiful state, but inhabited by a whole lot of total assholes! (and I'm sure some very nice people) seek them out and don't paint everyone with the same brush, would be my advice.
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Old 08-12-2012, 04:53 PM   #1026
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Nope.
On a bike, no such shenanigans at all.
In a car, this:
If after several friendly hints and then overt gestures to please back off and they still do it, I slow down a tiny bit to get them closer, then downshift-check them.
No brake lights, much more effective.
Another way is to lightly ride the brake pedal to make it look like that's what I'm doing, then spike them hard. I won't do it unless I have the big pintle hook in the receiver.
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:36 AM   #1027
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Another way is to lightly ride the brake pedal to make it look like that's what I'm doing, then spike them hard. I won't do it unless I have the big pintle hook in the receiver.
On multi-lane highways, if I'm being tailgated in the right lane, I just close the throttle and coast down and see how slow I can get before they notice and change lanes.
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Old 08-13-2012, 07:47 AM   #1028
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On multi-lane highways, if I'm being tailgated in the right lane, I just close the throttle and coast down and see how slow I can get before they notice and change lanes.

Almost got down to 35 mph yesterday, on a nearly empty 4 lane road.

I was running 70 when the car flew up behind me, then just stayed about 20ft off my back wheel.

Then he was pissed off, flew by me and then went.....70 mph
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Old 08-13-2012, 07:49 AM   #1029
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On multi-lane highways, if I'm being tailgated in the right lane, I just close the throttle and coast down and see how slow I can get before they notice and change lanes.
This is usually it - it isn't people out to go faster, but instead clueless drivers tail-gating because they're using the vehicles in front and beside them as reference points to maintain speed while they text or talk.

I used to only have four classifications way back when:
Slow & Safe
Slow & Dangerous (these usually cause other people to wreck while they continue on unhit and oblivious - the most dangerous, IMHO, due to them being the most common and their ability to hurt others. Quite honestly back in the 1990's this category probably included at least 80% of those who thought that buying a new Buick was a good idea. One learned to give late-model-Buick drivers a wide margin for safety's sake. Note that used-Buick drivers didn't usually fall into this category.)
Fast & Safe (I've been in cars driven by older Italians and Germans who would fall into this category)
Fast & Dangerous (more often take themselves out, sometimes while taking out others - typically teen drivers and idiots, still not as bad as the Slow & Dangerous IMHO)

but over the last seven years or so I've had to add a fifth category:
Basers - these drivers really only came around in big numbers as of late, and they 'base' their speed and positions off of the vehicles next to them (as much as vehicles in front of them, and far more than any normal involved driver would do). These drivers will slow down to the same speeds of those to their sides even if they're in an HOV lane that is completely clear. I'm guessing it has a lot to do with people who just aren't paying attention to the roads anymore, or whose brains just can't compute what they're seeing while they're focused on some other task (talking, playing with the radio, watching videos, etc.). I'm not writing of those who safely lower their speeds a bit for safety's sake when traffic beside them slows (never know who is going to jump out or emergency-brake into your open lane), I'm talking about people who just seemingly 'base' their speed, no matter the situation, on the people beside them and, to some degree, as James Adams just wrote of those who take forever to be aware that the person ahead of them is slowing down way too much.

I was really made aware of the numbers of 'Basers' after developing a tactic I had to create just to change lanes on a multiple lane highway with my pickup truck. Once a baser driving beside me is identified, there is usually no real hope of getting in front or behind them while in traffic on a multiple-lane highway unless I ever-so-slowly back off the throttle a bit, setting a slightly more relaxd & seemingly happy pace maybe three or six MPH slower than we were going, then gassing it for the pass while they are hopefully still adjusting speed downward. I swear it never used to be this way except maybe that one time every five years or so you'd get someone who intentionally and psychotically interferes and hinders you passing... like those who block your pass by speeding up on a broken-yellow two-lane highway after they were going slow enough to warrant passing in the first place. Besides being dickheads, there was no real need to classify them as a driver-class as they just weren't seen all that often... but 'Basers'? Everywhere now. They're not malicious, they just aren't interested in driving.

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As an aside, I know they first four categories can apply to motorcyclists as well, but after all the droning super-slab moto-commuting I've done over the last year and a half (over 20k miles of super-slab, alone), I'm almost tempted to say I've seen some motorcyclists fall into the 'Baser' category, but I'm still not sure, and am not sure it's even possible.

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Old 08-13-2012, 07:56 AM   #1030
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'Basers' are people who are using their center of vision for a task other than driving*. The driving is done using their peripheral vision. This is a very real and very dangerous issue.

*cell phone, navi, yelling at kids, texting, sexting, etc.
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Old 08-13-2012, 08:31 AM   #1031
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like those who block your pass by speeding up on a broken-yellow two-lane highway after they were going slow enough to warrant passing in the first place.
These I deal with by falling back a ways, downshifting until I'm in the power band, and going WFO. By the time I get up to them, I'm past before they can react. This is particularly effective with the Ducati.
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:16 AM   #1032
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These I deal with by falling back a ways, downshifting until I'm in the power band, and going WFO. By the time I get up to them, I'm past before they can react. This is particularly effective with the Ducati.
I'll do this on the ex500 as well. not as fast as your Ducati, but it gets the job done.
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:33 AM   #1033
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Hey... Is this one of you FF? I saw him doing 80 on Rt 95, swerving through traffic, AND TEXTING!

Not that I was much better trying to get my truck up to 90 to catch up to him and take a picture...





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Old 08-15-2012, 11:47 AM   #1034
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How about this guy in the HOV lane, check out the rear tire, not the cute blonde with hardly any clothes on.I tried to get ahead of him to warn him but too much traffic, then he did go completely flat 1 Km later and had just enough time to hit the "only" pullout before we got onto that bridge where everyone accelerates. So...lucky him he was still on the right.

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Old 08-15-2012, 11:56 AM   #1035
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Basers - these drivers really only came around in big numbers as of late, and they 'base' their speed and positions off of the vehicles next to them (as much as vehicles in front of them, and far more than any normal involved driver would do)......
+1 These folks drive (as others mentioned) by just keeping up with what their peripheral vision shows. I'm amazed at how little people pay attention to their mirrors and dashboards anymore. I was taught to constantly keep your eyes moving... road, mirrors, gauges, repeat. I drive next to folks and they just stare straight ahead, glazed over.

Oh, and to keep it slightly on-topic. No strangeness this morning on my ride in. Beautiful weather ... rainstorm last night so the desert air was full of awesome scents, nice and cool, roads clean (a bit of gravel here and there).
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