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Old 07-02-2012, 09:15 AM   #586
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Much more; you have a little more upfront costs to create the tooling for casting but then your price per part cost is quite low, upwards to 50-70% lower than a cnc'd part. Casting is not bad if the quality control and the design specs are in order, but as pointed out by others it can take a long time to find the source of the issue when eating with casting.
Not bad? For years now, firearm receivers have been made of investment castings. The process is good enough if the care is in and the engineering well done.
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:17 AM   #587
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Not bad? For years now, firearm receivers have been made of investment castings. The process is good enough if the care is in and the engineering well done.
Right, I think Bill Ruger was the first to use the process so widely.
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:32 PM   #588
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I think you are right about Ruger but now many other apps are using investment casting in high stress situations. The Japanese seem to be casting masters.
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:58 PM   #589
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Not bad? For years now, firearm receivers have been made of investment castings. The process is good enough if the care is in and the engineering well done.
Exactly! The process is excellent when great engineering, great materials and great processes are in place! At work we are currently having parts made out of composite materials in an injection molding process; just 2 years ago these parts we cnc made.
By looking at the failure in the picture I think we can all agree that thugs improvements could be make in the process and design.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:26 AM   #590
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At the end of the day,
whatever money you might save by not installing different forks must pale in comparison to what any human
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:32 AM   #591
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Hi, been thinking of purchasing 650gs or serato, but having come across various threads i cannot believe that fork failiure such as this can occur on a new machine. Does anyone know if the same thing has happened to a serato or gs650se (800 twin), as they both appear to have the same diameter forks 41mm?

I have a 1994 ttr250 and that has 42 mm diameter forks on a bike weighing approximately 125kg. Does not make sense!!!

What progress, if any has AW made? Wish her well.
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:27 AM   #592
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It is the size and strength of the leading axle mounting lugs which are in question not the fork tube diameter

The F650GS twin fork lowers are believed to be different to the single but I have not checked the Part No's.

The bottom line is that a set of damper rod forks on a machine like a Sertao means that it is well behind the ball game
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:39 AM   #593
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It is the size and strength of the leading axle mounting lugs which are in question not the fork tube diameter

The F650GS twin fork lowers are believed to be different to the single but I have not checked the Part No's.

The bottom line is that a set of damper rod forks on a machine like a Sertao means that it is well behind the ball game

Yes ok thanks for the prompt reply.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:48 AM   #594
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As to AW, she withdrew from the thread months ago w/o notice that she was going to do so.

Some here speculated that she got a settlement which prevented her from discussing things further, but we really do not know. For all the info we have, that may have occurred or maybe she got a new bike, the forks failed on that too and she bought the farm.
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:50 PM   #595
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AW claimed insurance & so it is up to the Insurance Co to take up the case with BMW so there is no settlement with BMW

I understand she will ride another make & model but will definitely be back on 2 wheels & is getting on with life as she should
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:22 AM   #596
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AW claimed insurance & so it is up to the Insurance Co to take up the case with BMW so there is no settlement with BMW

I understand she will ride another make & model but will definitely be back on 2 wheels & is getting on with life as she should
We have no idea how that evolved. The insurance company can get an offer which binds its policyholder to behaviors such as non-disclosure.

We can either believe that BMW never paid a cent on any of these claims or the payment / settlement was accompanied by a non-disclosure of that payment.

Which do you believe?

As to AW's status, either you know something or you are just spouting hot air about she moving on and continuing to ride. So which is it?
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:45 PM   #597
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It is as I have stated, AW claimed insurance, It is for the Insurance Co to decide on action re BMW & that would be unlikely

AW could look at an injury claim but the injuries/likely payout would not cover legals so that is not viable

AW was looking at her next machine purchase & it was not a BMW

Re other failures on the earlier F650GS there were settled cases in the EU with non disclosure agreements but none we are aware of outside of the EU. In each case where BMW was informed of the failures they denied knowing of other failures,

It was the NHTSA preliminary investigation which caused a change in BMW's position where they stated they were aware of a small number of failures and claimed the failures were the result of accidents not the cause.

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Old 07-19-2012, 07:26 PM   #598
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When I first saw the pictures of the failure way back, it strongly reminded me of a brittle fracture of a high strength aluminum casting caused by over-aging (too much time at an elevated temperature).

Been there seen that on other aluminum parts. In that case the alloy was 7075. There was no ductility whatsoever.

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Old 07-23-2012, 12:37 AM   #599
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A little OT, but regarding what BMW may or may not have known: Last year I was in the market for a new bike, and had whittled it down to the Yamaha SuperTenere and the BMW Adventure GS. About the same price over here in the EU. At any rate, I know all about the rear drive failures on the Beemers, but wanted to get the dealer's impressions and had they been fixed yet... wasn't expecting much, because I'm not entirely a mental defective. ;) Dealer deadpans, what are you talking about? I don't know of any systemic rear drive failure issues on any Beemer. Now how about that test ride?? I laughed and told him not to be a moron, and rode off to buy the Super Tenere. Which is a bulletproof Yamaha, and a bulletproof bike. So far, anyway!

Outright liars, those folks, just remember that when shopping.
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:01 AM   #600
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Funnily enough, I had a conversation yesterday with a mate who has had a BMW 1200LT since new...think it is about a 98 model...he has had years of grief with BMW trying to rectify a mapping/fueling issue with this bike, which is apparently well documented and recorded, and BMW continue to deny there is a problem. Made me think of this thread...seems fairly common for BMW to simply deny there is an issue.
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