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Old 06-28-2011, 03:22 PM   #1
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Thumb Metzeler - ENDURO 3 SAHARA lasted 6000 miles. Im happy.



Just some info for those looking for tire for their adventure. It lasted about 9000km (6000miles) of mostly highway, number of half day rough two tracks lots of hard take offs, about 800km of gravel... very good grip on wet and dry pavement. The rear had about 10% left on it when I took it off today. Front has 30%, (but started to make humming noise in highway)

The only reason I am not using them (at least this time) is Metzeler doesn't make them in 150. I had a 140/80-18 on. Im going to try a K60 Heidenau (150/70-18) rear with my current front. will change the front with a M21 Pirelli soon. May or may not be a good combo, we'll see.

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Old 06-28-2011, 03:31 PM   #2
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I currently run them on my SE. Best DS tyre I have ever used!
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:59 PM   #3
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I have used TKC80 rear before. It lasted less than 3000km.
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:49 PM   #4
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Nice. After 13,000 miles I am on rear tire # 12 (or something like that). I would say 30% street the rest single and 2 track desert. If you ride a lot of dirt and you twist the throttle rear tires get expensive for this bike. I love my TKC 80 front and MEFO Super Explorer rear combo tho. Best I have found for all-around good perfomnce and decent wear.
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:57 PM   #5
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Nice looking tyre, and just great mileage for the tread pattern.
What was the profile like running the 140 on the 150 rim?
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:29 PM   #6
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Sounds great. For reference, what other tires have you used and how many miles?

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The stock KarooT (950SE) lasted about 1000miles and that was during break-in. Then I put the scorpions and they were good for 6000 miles, but they had a wooden feeling to them with very bad wet performance. They are ok though on very grippy asphalt, but what isn't. Very hard compound for anything else. The Saharas feel like glue in comparison. I don't think they will last 6000 miles on the SE with the narrow profile, but it is such a good overall tyre that even if they do 3-4000 miles I will be very happy. The front whines a bit and has very soft sidewalls, which is not necessarily bad as you can maintain a high-ish pressure off-road. Highly recommended!
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:50 AM   #7
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The stock KarooT (950SE) lasted about 1000miles and that was during break-in. Then I put the scorpions and they were good for 6000 miles, but they had a wooden feeling to them with very bad wet performance. They are ok though on very grippy asphalt, but what isn't. Very hard compound for anything else. The Saharas feel like glue in comparison. I don't think they will last 6000 miles on the SE with the narrow profile, but it is such a good overall tyre that even if they do 3-4000 miles I will be very happy. The front whines a bit and has very soft sidewalls, which is not necessarily bad as you can maintain a high-ish pressure off-road. Highly recommended!
That’s about what I’ve had from the Sahara’s, 3-4k miles from a rear and my SE’s been through 3. I like um, I’ve got a K60 to go on this week and I hope it fairs better than the Sahara’s, 5k+ would be nice.

A harder compound Sahara or k60 style tyre would be ideal for the SE, hard enough to feel loss of traction on the tar rather than eating a softer compound tyre in a couple of thousand miles.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:53 AM   #8
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Mefo comparison?

Have you guys tried the Mefos, too? This is a recurring thread but I haven't found a direct comparison of the Metzeler vs. the Mefo by someone who's ridden both. I typically ride 70 on / 30 off. I need new tires soon and want to get away from the scorps. Thanks for any input you have to offer.
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:33 AM   #9
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Nice. After 13,000 miles I am on rear tire # 12 (or something like that). I would say 30% street the rest single and 2 track desert. If you ride a lot of dirt and you twist the throttle rear tires get expensive for this bike. I love my TKC 80 front and MEFO Super Explorer rear combo tho. Best I have found for all-around good perfomnce and decent wear.
Agreed.

If I was going on a 5k mile + trip this is the pair I'd throw on my bike. Good on road performance and you don't give up much in the dirt. Sure there are better pure dirt tires or pure street tires but but this combo is the best pave/dirt/longevity setup I've used.
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Oh and I've got a buddy that runs these on hit SE and likes them. He gets good wear on them and they seem to hook up well for him. The rim width difference would make me lean toward a Heidi or Mefo but to each his own, eh?
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Nice looking tyre, and just great mileage for the tread pattern.
What was the profile like running the 140 on the 150 rim?
You could hardly tell the difference unless you have two bikes side by side.

150 is the width of the tire in millimeters. So the difference is 1cm or 0.4 of an inch.

Here is a photo of my bike when I had this tire on :



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Old 05-13-2012, 01:11 PM   #12
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I only got 1500kms out of my Metzeler Sahara 3's around the twisties here on my XR650......and it was great fun...

I know...hardly representative but just say'in like :)


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Old 05-13-2012, 02:56 PM   #13
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:40 PM   #14
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Just some info for those looking for tire for their adventure. It lasted about 9000km (6000miles) of mostly highway, number of half day rough two tracks lots of hard take offs, about 800km of gravel... very good grip on wet and dry pavement. The rear had about 10% left on it when I took it off today. Front has 30%, (but started to make humming noise in highway)

The only reason I am not using them (at least this time) is Metzeler doesn't make them in 150. I had a 140/80-18 on. Im going to try a K60 Heidenau (150/70-18) rear with my current front. will change the front with a M21 Pirelli soon. May or may not be a good combo, we'll see.

http://www.metzelermoto.com/web/cata...talog/off_road
The Sahara was my standard tyre some years ago and yes, its great. The Heidi K60 (Scout or not Scout never mind) is even better, some more miles and somewhat better grip on gravel. About front, the Pirelli MT21 bites well on dirt but wont last for long. Michelin T63 is very strong and the bite on gravel and tarmac is say acceptable. Right now Im trying the Pirelli Scorpion Rally front which has good feedback on this thread.
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