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Old 07-03-2011, 03:46 PM   #61
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You know, I thought I just asked a simple question about street singles and it becomes an international imbroglio about shrinking resources, government policy, and other things waaaay outside the pale.

Nobody need panic. We will eventually be getting biofuel produced from algae to fuel our thirst.

Now that we've already solved the world's fuel woes, let's get back to motorcycles and crawl off each other's asses, please.

Sheesh! It's like my relatives at Christmas.
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Old 07-03-2011, 04:55 PM   #62
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Most of you Americans are missing the point, as usual. Of course most of you think "traveling" means driving 100 miles to the next county line.

In most of the world, a motorcycle is not a hobby. It is not a leisure activity that hours are burned away in the garage upgrading or putting miles on to be "free".

Everywhere else, a motorcycle is a tool. A vehicle that is utilitarian only. There are entire families who have ONE 125cc thumper as their "family vehicle". It is used to go to work, to haul groceries, to pick up kids from school, to do errands, to visit gramma on the hill, etc etc. Just as a bicycle is a step up from walking, a small motorcycle is very often the top of what an entire family can afford with regards to transportation.

But it's ok. Keep waving old Glory and shouting how great 'Merica is. Most of you will still be screaming how it's the liberals/republicans/democrats/conservatives/socialists fault while the people of America rush headlong into a 3rd-world quality of life.

And the richest 3% will be laughing all the way to the bank. That's Capitalism! I'm not even angry. We deserve it. Hell, I've got my ace in the hole....retire in Brazil, riding my 125cc thumper to the beach to drink some coconut water on the sand.

It's coming. Hell, it's already started.
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Old 07-03-2011, 05:01 PM   #63
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let's get back to motorcycles and crawl off each other's asses, please.
Sheesh! It's like my relatives at Christmas.
I was gonna say sumpin but it wasn't my place
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Old 07-03-2011, 05:09 PM   #64
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only two...on one side...

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Do you have an extra set of legs in that photo or are you riding on the side of the bike lol?
I think that was at about 25 MPH
You need to hone your skills incase there's a need to ride under a semi...
Wait, You can't ride under a semi trailer...

Well maybe with a little thumper, but....

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Old 07-03-2011, 05:15 PM   #65
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"If you can afford to burn it, feel free, but for other's who can't.....please supply us with better choices in regards to what we can ride or drive."

Here's the crux of our disagreement. Tkent, et al want someone to "Supply Us" with different choices. That's the difference in the American mentality and the European (and Littleton, CO) mentality. American's don't ask to be 'supplied' with anything, we make it and if no one buys it, we fail. Europeans (and many in Littleton apparently), wish for the government to impose a rule so everyone has to do something, and they have to do that something at the threat of fine, imprisonment, or force.

Big difference in mentality.

I do know that Exxon and others will gladly accept $10/gal if you wish to pay it, they usually will accept any amount over the stated price so perhaps you could begin setting an example. And everything plastic you own, including the IV tube you might get if you ever get road rash, that all gets more expensive too.


By the way Tkent, how often you drive to Denver (30 miles round trip)? How far do you work from home? Or do you only ride your bike to the light rail station every day?
You have no idea how far away I work.
I work everywhere, and anywhere. I go to work once a month. Can't take light rail, it doesn't go there. I never said I wanted the government to do anything for us. Never said I wanted to be supplied with anything. Never said I wanted socialism or any other political system. I certainly don't want the US to become like Europe, I don't like the place. Too crowded, too expensive, too controlled. What I said was I wanted the choice of small cars with quality, small bikes that are fun to ride, lose the idiotic American thought process that says "small" means "cheap". If it takes $10 gas to get us there, it sounds worthwhile to me. The price will be going up anyway, no matter how much you bitch about it. Wait until everyone in India and China gets a car, prices for fuel will skyrocket. You ain't seen nothing yet.

And thumpers suck on the street.
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Old 07-03-2011, 05:32 PM   #66
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It's inevitable. Not only is the economy going to get worse, it's going to get much worse. Why do you think 50% of the vehicles in other countries like Brazil are 125-225cc thumpers?

Because fuel is cheap there?
How so? Better be able to back an economic prediction like that up with something.
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Old 07-03-2011, 05:34 PM   #67
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How so? Better be able to back an economic prediction like that up with something.
Take a look around. Signs of economic growth everywhere.
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Old 07-03-2011, 07:45 PM   #68
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i saw a family of 5 go by today on a 125.

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Most of you Americans are missing the point, as usual. Of course most of you think "traveling" means driving 100 miles to the next county line.

In most of the world, a motorcycle is not a hobby. It is not a leisure activity that hours are burned away in the garage upgrading or putting miles on to be "free".

Everywhere else, a motorcycle is a tool. A vehicle that is utilitarian only. There are entire families who have ONE 125cc thumper as their "family vehicle". It is used to go to work, to haul groceries, to pick up kids from school, to do errands, to visit gramma on the hill, etc etc. Just as a bicycle is a step up from walking, a small motorcycle is very often the top of what an entire family can afford with regards to transportation.

But it's ok. Keep waving old Glory and shouting how great 'Merica is. Most of you will still be screaming how it's the liberals/republicans/democrats/conservatives/socialists fault while the people of America rush headlong into a 3rd-world quality of life.

And the richest 3% will be laughing all the way to the bank. That's Capitalism! I'm not even angry. We deserve it. Hell, I've got my ace in the hole....retire in Brazil, riding my 125cc thumper to the beach to drink some coconut water on the sand.

It's coming. Hell, it's already started.
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Old 07-03-2011, 08:30 PM   #69
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I like how people think they know exactly how motorcycles get used in the U.S. I don't pretend to be an authority or even know beyond a doubt how people behave elsewhere. That includes the next state over. I have an idea but I would have to live there for a few years to know for sure. Judging the U.S. based on what ou see on tv and read on the internet makes you a fool. The U.S. is great because the family that uses a motorcycle for transportation and the guy who gets 5 miles to the gallon coexist. You can judge the U.S. when you have lived in every county, in every state, for at least a couple years. I don't act like I know how your countries people act so do not talk about mine. If someone on here says something you have deemed as stupid direct your comments towards him. As for these bikes making a comeback I think there are far too many people worldwide who like their fast cars and big trucks. Unless the world as a whole collapses economically I think they will stay at their current popularity level. People who need/understand the value of a thumper will keep buying them and people who enjoy more will keep getting bigger and faster vehicles.
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Old 07-03-2011, 08:37 PM   #70
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I have been getting 85 mpg with my TU250.
I don't need more bike for what I do, but would if I lived out west with the wide open spaces and higher speed limits.
The wife and I have always been sensible about what we drive, and how we live our lives, and if gas went up to $8.00 a gallon, its no problem for us.
We kind of hope it will as then all the huge suv's will come off the road to make room for little sporty cars and motorcycles. Think about half the cars and suv's off the road and motorcycles instead!

The bikes are out there, I wish they sold the cb400ss in the US.


Funny thing about Europe, most of the people there are more happy then Americans, they don't have to worry much about sending their kids to collage, loosing their house due to an illness, what happens to them in their old age, and they get lots more time off from work to ride motorcycles.
They pay high taxes, but get trains, clean streets, free healthcare for everyone, etc.
Kind of takes a load off your mind knowing if you loose your job, you and your kids still have healthcare, still get to keep the house, get training for a new job, etc.

In the US, you can loose everything at the drop of a hat, and many have.
And I guess most like it that way.
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Old 07-03-2011, 09:09 PM   #71
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Peter Egan -- whose writing lead me to motorcycling -- wrote a lot about the joys of small-displacement, light bikes. Wisconsin to New Orleans on a 400, 2-up touring on a 160, touring Canada on a 250, etc. If you stay off the Interstates the speed and power requirements for safe riding are significantly lower.

To be fair, he's also written about the pleasures of more power, but not if you have to pay a lot for it in weight, agility, or thirst.

It would be nice to see more choces in small-to-medium sized "standard" street bikes. I was delighted to see the TU250X. It's high on my "next bike" list. I hope sales take off, and that Suzuki -- or somebody -- makes a similar bike in the 400 range. Something between the TU and the SV650 might be just about perfect for a lot of riders. A serious rack system option would be a huge plus.

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Old 07-04-2011, 12:29 AM   #72
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A much bigger issue that receives no attention is long haul trucking and the demise of rail transportation. Our infrastructure was not designed to handle the volume and weight of those types of vehicle, which is leading to the rapid deterioration and massively expensive upkeep. How did that happen? It was crooked politicians in bed with large unions, and once they nationalized and killed rail transport, they raised the taxes on diesel fuel, which in turn, was passed onto the consumer (us).
I'm in the 3PL industry moving cargo, freight, containers, via transborder, intermodal, air, ocean, and by whatever means possible and I find this statement bizarre.
Both over the road tariff and LTL, along with Intermodal probably accounting for the largest segment of all shipments that move throughout North America are alive and kicking, hard.
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:00 AM   #73
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I just meant that I wish we had more choices over here. The manufacturers only send over what they think will sell. And based on current trends, that means mostly sportbikes and cruisers. They can send us all of those they want, I just wish we had more alternatives. That's why so many Americans, especially on sites like this, always complain that we never get the "good stuff" that's available in Europe or whatever. The manufacturers aren't going to bother to import just a few of certain types of bikes for the few of us that care about them. It's not worth the trouble or expense.

But trends do change. Maybe this one's changing just a little.\

Brazil: Cheap fuel and better wives. Sounds good.
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:24 AM   #74
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I'd love to see the BMW 650 one-lunger dropped in a lightweight street frame.
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:42 AM   #75
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Yeah, if more people of all categories would have quit having so many screaming brats a long time ago, maybe we wouldn't be having this whinefest about resources and such.
True dat, actually MOST people should not reproduce.
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