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Old 10-25-2014, 06:38 PM   #1
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V-Strom 1000 vs Wee 650 fuel range?

Shopping for a replacement for my '07 GS, with the intention of adding a sidecar (yes, I know where the hacks forum is, and how few members)

I'm wondering about the bikes themselves, and how far each will go while hauling a ton of luggage, and 2-up.
Also, IF the Wee (WTF is a "Glee"?) has enough power for heavy loads? I don't need to sustain triple digits any more, and my license and insurance would prefer that it not be possible.

So how about it? Will the 650 haul 400 lbs up steep grades all day at 75MPH? Is the 1000 a thirsty pig?
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Old 10-25-2014, 07:52 PM   #2
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So how about it? Will the 650 haul 400 lbs up steep grades all day at 75MPH? Is the 1000 a thirsty pig?
the 650 is only powerful enough to be fun for a solo rider. add a passenger and or luggage and the 650 becomes flat. at speeds of 75 mph and higher, the DL.65 probably doesnt get as good mpg as the DL1. ive averaged 46.4 mpg over the past 30,000 miles with my DL1. with a one time high of 57+ mpg. see fuelly link below for more info..
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:01 PM   #3
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the 650 is only powerful enough to be fun for a solo rider. add a passenger and or luggage and the 650 becomes flat. at speeds of 75 mph and higher, the DL.65 probably doesnt get as good mpg as the DL1. ive averaged 46.4 mpg over the past 30,000 miles with my DL1. with a one time high of 57+ mpg. see fuelly link below for more info..

THAT was my concern right there. Overload the little engine and there could well be LESS fuel range (in theory, anyway)
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:10 PM   #4
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THAT was my concern right there. Overload the little engine and there could well be LESS fuel range (in theory, anyway)
39k miles on a 2007 Wee. Up to 60MPH, with full Caribou Cases (and a 300lb rider), it was a solid 50MPG -- until I hit the prairies. From Winnipeg to Edmonton, that dropped to low-to-mid 30s per gallon. Same thing in the Dakotas - speed and headwind killed my mileage. Anything above 60 and the mileage dropped like a stone.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:11 PM   #5
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The mileage gets pretty close between the two over 80mph, maybe high 30s mpg. Keep an average around 60mph and the Wee may do over 300 miles on a tank, a little over 60mpg in warm weather on level ground. Wees and Vees have 22 liter tanks while the Glee has a 20 liter tank and very slightly better fuel economy than a Wee. Vee is a 2002-2012 DL1000. Wee is a 2004-2011 DL650. Glee is 2012+ DL650, a Wee with a Gladius based engine.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:21 PM   #6
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I've had four 650s. All solo riding. Always 45+ at any speed. '08 would get 50 sometimes. Others were all '05-06 single plug. Never ever got in the 30s as mentioned, even at 80+ mph with gear, but maybe that's 2 up.
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:50 AM   #7
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Sustained high speed isn't an option around here, well, not if you want to keep your licence. I can guarantee 440k's out of the Glee, but if it's slower speeds ~80kph 500-600k's out of a tank is doable. There are some multi-day rides here where even those speeds are challenging.

So, depends on your riding, but places with distant fuel stops like parts of Oz, it's a definite win to the 650.

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Old 10-26-2014, 08:56 AM   #8
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Just did a weekend trip on the 650 2up plus camping gear to the ozark national forest, lots of steep climbs and twisties. The 650 did fine, I was able to pass traffic (up hills) without issues did 70-75 on the super-slabs.
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Old 10-26-2014, 09:32 AM   #9
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Just did a weekend trip on the 650 2up plus camping gear to the ozark national forest, lots of steep climbs and twisties. The 650 did fine, I was able to pass traffic (up hills) without issues did 70-75 on the super-slabs.
A lot depends on the rider. At 225 pounds, I had a lot better mileage and fun in general on the bike than at 315. Add in a 150-pound pillion and you're pushing the GVWR on the bike. By the way, a 500-pound capacity on a 650CC bike is pretty darn impressive, I think it has a higher carrying capacity than my XT1200Z

My point there is that my impressions are based on being a Big Guy riding a Small(ish) Bike. It was brilliantly comfortable but lacked at higher highway speeds. That impression is dramatically different from my friend Bill who is 6'2 but weighs all of 160 pounds soaking wet and who regularly rode 2-up with his 125-pound girlfriend/fiance.

I still maintain that for the money, it's the best motorbike a person can buy. Several times I've thought about buying another early model Wee - they're just so comfortable, capable, cheap to ride, just a lovely bike all around. I WILL NOT buy another late model - my 2012 (Glee?) was brilliant on mileage on the east coast but I just couldn't get comfy on it (so I can't comment on really doing distance on it, hence such low mileage referenced earlier), for me it wasn't as good a bike as the '07.
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Old 10-26-2014, 09:52 AM   #10
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DL 650 is a great machine and will go two up with luggage unless the rider and passenger are heavy set. Even solo I carry enough gear to class as two up and no problem. That being said with a hack and then gear plus possible two up the 650 will stain for speed and steep hills forget it. Go for the 1000 but with the hack hope for 30 mpg.
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Old 10-26-2014, 10:05 AM   #11
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I have a 2014 wee and I'm getting around 52 mpg loaded with weekend camping gear. I'm 215 lbs. I've got 62 on first tank keeping below 5000 rpm. I only ride solo.
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Old 10-26-2014, 02:50 PM   #12
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Wind resistance seems to be a major factor affecting Wee's fuel economy. Considering that you'd be adding a sidecar, the combined area facing the wind will likely double. The question then becomes less 'can the Wee cruise at highway speeds and climb' but at what fuel consumption rate?

My 2011 Wee with a solo rider plus camping gear and panniers gives me the following fuel economy;

Speeds under 55mph - 50 miles/gallon US

70 mph - 44 mpg

90 mph - 32 mpg

Terrain (flat vs mountains ) and fuel grade make no noticeable difference. Neither does premium vs regular fuel grade (all with 10% ethanol).
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Old 10-26-2014, 03:01 PM   #13
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Thanks, Everybody, for confirming my suspicions.
I was hoping the smaller engine would extend the range of the limited fuel tank (there's no aftermarket tanks, right?). Shouldn't be hard to find a place to attach Rotopax.

Yeah, the frontal wind resistance would likely double, more or less, so the bigger engine might well use less fuel. Or at least be more relaxed and capable.
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Old 10-26-2014, 05:41 PM   #14
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My 2013 DL650 Adv, loaded with 2up and this amounted to approx. 100 lbs over its GVW averaged 58 mpg on the imperial gallon. So I'm guessing on the US gallon that would be in the range of 50 mpg. Solo with just the trunk and keeping around the 60 mph speed limit up here it will get 69 mpg on the imperial gallon. Solo with bags, trunk and camping gear running on the interstate at 75+ it will get about 58 mpg on the imperial gallon.

So as you can see the mileage will vary greatly depend on the bikes load etc. At the end of the day I doubt there would be much difference between the two if they were both 2 up and loaded. Solo use will be different. Power is adequate on the 650 but if I was continually running 2up with the sidecar I would go with the 1000 cc.

Their are a few posts around in regards to sidecars on the 650 and they seem to work fine, but I would think that you would want to keep your speed down in the range of 60 mph. The bike is a good all around bike but it is only a 650.

Travelling 2 up with a sidecar and loaded I would go with the 1000 cc engine. If you are talking about a bike with sidecar, you are going to be looking at mileage in the 30-40 mpg US. I have a few friends with sidecars on the old airheads and that is about what they average.
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Old 10-26-2014, 05:45 PM   #15
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2012 DL650 Fuel Mileage

After 18K miles, I have averaged 60 MPG. I've gotten as low as 54 MPG pounding super-slab at an indicated 80 MPH with panniers loaded. I've gotten as high as 65 MPG riding sedately in the mountains. My last tank was a solid 62 using the trip odometer on my GPS. The Vstrom takes regular fuel, and gas prices just dropped below $3/gallon here in NC.
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