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Old 07-24-2011, 09:24 PM   #181
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Old 07-25-2011, 04:17 AM   #182
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Personally, I considered this but I figured a. sometimes the gnarly stuff just sneaks up on you and b. I'm lazy and I know I'd never actually take the mirrors off.

With the KTM mirrors, you can simply fold them out of the way, while riding and then fold them back out when you hit the road again.
I fitted double take mirrors.

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Old 07-25-2011, 10:11 AM   #183
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Thanks for the honest review. I agree regards "riders". Ned is racing Dakar, is an AA enduro rider. I only made B rider ... and that was 15 years ago.

Same goes with both Crashmaster and Misery Goat ... both well 'above average' riders for sure and both have current South America Ride Reports here on ADV on their KTM's. Neither have had serious mechanicals. Very impressive for the big KTM's. If only all KTM were as reliable.

Can the Tiger 800XC match the 990/950 off road?

Dunno ... I guess it depends who's riding! I think AV Mech and Burren's reports give some insight into what the Tiger XC is capable of ...IN THE RIGHT HANDS!!! And were just getting started here!

But the fact is ... add all the farkles you like ... if you can't ride, it won't help you!

I'm not tall enough ... or good enough ... to get the most out of the big KTM. Also, can't imagine replacing all that broken plastic and dual fuel tanks after it hits a rock pile. YIKES! $$$$$$$$

I've ridden both the 950 and 990 on the highway. I've swapped out my Tiger 1050 with my KTM buddies. I like the KTM's a lot ... but I prefer my Tiger for most road riding ... and especially touring.

But on very rough, sandy, wet or whooped out and badly knarled up pavement ... the KTM is the better bike by a good margin. It can attack those conditions like a true dual sport ... or should I say "Giant Dual Sport"? It's marvelous!

Any comments on how the Tiger 800 XC performs ridden HOT on bad paved roads as described above?

My Tiger (with bad stock suspension) gets out of shape on such a road and is dangerous. But on a less beat up road it's better: Faster, (15 more HP) better brakes and wide 17" sporty tires and massive lean angles. I can keep pace on my Tiger 1050 with a better rider aboard a 990. Why? More power mostly ... and much better brakes. The Tiger's radial brakes are really good.

The Tiger 1050 is also very smooth, quiet and comfortable on a 500 mile day. The KTM is good ... but the Tiger is better, IMHO.

The 800/800XC should also be a fine long range tour bike. BTW, absolutely no wind issues on the Tiger 1050 ... and I know about wind issues having owned Vstrom's, which are scary in cross winds. Tiger is rock solid. The T800's? Dunno?
Don't want to go off topic but I feel it is not fair to compare the Tiger 1050 to the Adv. The SMT would be the better choice and if you can live with the quirks of the FI 990 (I can, or may be I just have gotten used to it) the SMT will be all over the 1050, better suspension, brakes, handling imho

(I own both the T800Roadie and the SMT so I can call myself impartial, at least I think I can )
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Old 07-25-2011, 06:09 PM   #184
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Thanks for the honest review. I agree regards "riders". Ned is racing Dakar, is an AA enduro rider. I only made B rider ... and that was 15 years ago.

Same goes with both Crashmaster and Misery Goat ... both well 'above average' riders for sure and both have current South America Ride Reports here on ADV on their KTM's. Neither have had serious mechanicals. Very impressive for the big KTM's. If only all KTM were as reliable.

Can the Tiger 800XC match the 990/950 off road?

Dunno ... I guess it depends who's riding! I think AV Mech and Burren's reports give some insight into what the Tiger XC is capable of ...IN THE RIGHT HANDS!!! And were just getting started here!

But the fact is ... add all the farkles you like ... if you can't ride, it won't help you!

I'm not tall enough ... or good enough ... to get the most out of the big KTM. Also, can't imagine replacing all that broken plastic and dual fuel tanks after it hits a rock pile. YIKES! $$$$$$$$

I've ridden both the 950 and 990 on the highway. I've swapped out my Tiger 1050 with my KTM buddies. I like the KTM's a lot ... but I prefer my Tiger for most road riding ... and especially touring.

But on very rough, sandy, wet or whooped out and badly knarled up pavement ... the KTM is the better bike by a good margin. It can attack those conditions like a true dual sport ... or should I say "Giant Dual Sport"? It's marvelous!

Any comments on how the Tiger 800 XC performs ridden HOT on bad paved roads as described above?

My Tiger (with bad stock suspension) gets out of shape on such a road and is dangerous. But on a less beat up road it's better: Faster, (15 more HP) better brakes and wide 17" sporty tires and massive lean angles. I can keep pace on my Tiger 1050 with a better rider aboard a 990. Why? More power mostly ... and much better brakes. The Tiger's radial brakes are really good.

The Tiger 1050 is also very smooth, quiet and comfortable on a 500 mile day. The KTM is good ... but the Tiger is better, IMHO.

The 800/800XC should also be a fine long range tour bike. BTW, absolutely no wind issues on the Tiger 1050 ... and I know about wind issues having owned Vstrom's, which are scary in cross winds. Tiger is rock solid. The T800's? Dunno?
Hey Adv Grifter ......

As far as riding skills off-road, I'm an intermediate, and I have no shame saying that. I have friends in my local group, that can friggin ride the pants off me ..... but it's all good, because we all ride our own ride, and wait up at the meeting spots.

So, for me, I could never tame my 990. And it wasn't due to the HP. It was due to the F.I. / throttle issue, and ........ my current skill set. To use a quote from Lion BR, "Being that it's a much heavier bike (the 800xc over his wr250) slow I go ......"

The terrain I've taken my AT on, with some of it not supposed to being that way like - single track into goat trail - the bike did in fact handle it. Mind you I've beefed up the front suspension, and need to still beef up the rear suspension - but the bike handled it, and it's a heavy pig. With that said, I took the really wonky terrain very slowly.

Like I said in my post, had I bought a carbed 950 instead, I'd probably still have it.

Because of all the peeps I know who've commented to me on Triumph's F.I. - and with my own experience with my 900i, I feel confident that the 800xc's F.I. / throttle response is smooth as butter.

Weight wise, even though the 800xc still has a good deal of weight to her, she's not bad for a large displacement dual sport bike.

Lighter than the 800gs - and that's just a factual statement.
Lighter than the 900i - and definitely geared more for off-roading than the 900i
And a ton lighter than my AT. - with better stock suspension. The only difference is the tank on the 800xc is smaller, but it's supposed to get better mileage. In any case, a rotopax or fuel bladder will solve that problem, or for the real adventurous / engineering type, attempting to mount a left hand side baja-designs aux fuel tank.

Since there's no plastic on the rear of the 800xc, you could somewhat easily mount it, but connecting it into the "fuel system" could be a bit of an issue, since it doesn't have petcock(s).

I've read numerous reports of people with 950's that did up a two into one, and mounted an aux. fuel tank on the left side giving them a total of 7.5 US Gals. 6 with the two stock, and 1.5 with the aux.

As far as your comment of "If all KTMs were that reliable ...." Don't get me started. I love my 640, but recently she has become somewhat of a bitch regarding issues ......

So I know exactly what you mean .............

/KTM Discussion off.

Getting back to the 800xc, I like that she has a stock 150 / 70 -17, but I wonder how the bike would be with a 150 / 70 - 18 ......

Some of my AT friends have done up their rear with an 18 and say it's great off-road.

Just something to ponder ........

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Old 07-25-2011, 06:12 PM   #185
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Finally got smart and took some time to mount this.

Nice .......

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Old 07-25-2011, 06:17 PM   #186
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Not to turn this into a 990 thread, but check out the Orange Crush thread re. the Bazzaz Fi + AFM + handle bar switch combo. It looks like it totally cures both the snatchy EFI issue and really improves the fuel mileage (from 35mpg to 45mpg!!!), which totally makes sense when you compare the stock A/F plot (SUPER rich below 4k RPM and rich through the rest of the range) vs. the Bazzaz plot (right around 13 through most of the range....right where it should be). Also, the switch gives you 2 maps to choose from on the fly so you can run a "best mpg" map and a "power" map (or whatever combo you choose).

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Had I known that before I sold it, I probably would have given it a go ......

That sounds like a nice setup .....

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Old 07-25-2011, 06:56 PM   #187
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I fitted double take mirrors.

http://www.doubletakemirror.com//
Me too! I ordered them today and since I'm only 60 miles from where they're shipped, I hope to have them tomorrow. I'll post pics and impressions. The mountain mostly took care of the removal of the old ones, so mounting should be a breeze!
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:50 AM   #188
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I fitted double take mirrors.

http://www.doubletakemirror.com//
They look like they work very well and are very robust BUT.....the problem I see with them is that they are very nickable. Just undo the RAM arm and run off with them.
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:33 AM   #189
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They look like they work very well and are very robust BUT.....the problem I see with them is that they are very nickable. Just undo the RAM arm and run off with them.
+1 They also look, IMHO, kinda goofy looking. YMMV....
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:54 AM   #190
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They look like they work very well and are very robust BUT.....the problem I see with them is that they are very nickable. Just undo the RAM arm and run off with them.
Replaced the ram bolt & thumb nut with metric stainless steel M5 or 6 (can't remember which) and Nylok nuts. Still folds easily but can't be knicked unless you have a allen key handy.

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Old 07-26-2011, 10:26 AM   #191
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Don't want to go off topic but I feel it is not fair to compare the Tiger 1050 to the Adv. The SMT would be the better choice and if you can live with the quirks of the FI 990 (I can, or may be I just have gotten used to it) the SMT will be all over the 1050, better suspension, brakes, handling imho

(I own both the T800Roadie and the SMT so I can call myself impartial, at least I think I can )
Agreed on all counts regards the 1050 vs. the SMT. We haven't had the SMT here in the USA ... I think this year maybe the very first year it will be for sale. Based on reviews it's a great road bike ... and clearly ahead of the Tiger 1050 in most situations.

But if I was comparing Super moto type/street bikes ... I would still take the Triumph Street Triple R over the KTM SMT. Both are great bikes. The 1050 is now a bit long in the tooth. Triumph may drop this bike from the line-up. Rumors say they have a new 1200 Tiger in the wings.

OK ... back to T800XC dirt mods! Sorry for the Detour!
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:01 PM   #192
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Can the Tiger 800XC match the 990/950 off road?
That is the question I would like answered.

Edit: "Can the Tiger 800XC match a KLR off road?" is really what I want to know.

I don't think the Triumph will be as much of a shop whore, at least...

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That is the question I would like answered.

Edit: "Can the Tiger 800XC match a KLR off road?" is really what I want to know.

I don't think the Triumph will be as much of a shop whore, at least...

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I think the key there is what your definition of 'off-road' is. To some, 'off-road' is anything other than a tarmac road and to others it's nothing short of tight, twisty single-track.

My XC felt better, to me at least, on the Jeep/goat tracks I did the day after I got it than my XRL would have been and I think most agree an XRL is better 'off-road' than a KLR is.

Not sure that helps you any though....
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:37 PM   #195
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I think the key there is what your definition of 'off-road' is. To some, 'off-road' is anything other than a tarmac road and to others it's nothing short of tight, twisty single-track.

My XC felt better, to me at least, on the Jeep/goat tracks I did the day after I got it than my XRL would have been and I think most agree an XRL is better 'off-road' than a KLR is.

Not sure that helps you any though....
Dirt roads, jeep tracks, stuff like that.
Maybe some sand from time to time...

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