Tiger Tales - Dialling in the 800XC for the dirt

[Burren Rider]

Originally Posted by Reefdog

Thanks for the reply Mercury
""""Shane - I believe the stepper motor 'fix' involves ensuring it is regularly cleaned and lubed"""

This is what i have been reading here since the start of the thread and TRIUMPH'S advice is to clean and lube every time it happens...thats not a fix,,thats a COP OUT

I missed this one on my first reply. My understanding of the stepper motor though is that if you do the maintenance, it won't be an issue. If it was a ticking time bomb I could understand the reluctance to take it into remote area's (I wasn't thrilled when mine played up in the outback). Now that we know about the problem though and what needs to be done to prevent it, I think it has been relegated to a bit of additional maintenance

[Burren Rider]

Originally Posted by Windy Rider

Spent the day in the shed hiding from the rain and this is what I made today, Oil filter guard out of Stainless steel. Happy how it came up

Nice job. I am hopeless with Stainless so that looks like some pretty impressive backyard engineering

[Burren Rider]

Originally Posted by mickd

hi all
been looking at the xc for some time but in some threads this heat issue keeps coming up ie..from another inmate... the stepper motor is a huge problem triumph dont give a toss-bloody heat comes of the engine, ok when standing up but in summer at lights you fry.

is there a fix for this?

G'Day Mick,

I haven't ridden in traffic much with mine but on single trail where the temps start climbing it really hasn't been an issue? It definately feels a bit warmer on the legs than a single but I have never felt it was a problem?

[Reefdog]

Cheers for the reply Danny
As I said before, when i saw the first xc here the other day it was love at first sight and very impressed with all the write ups bar the steppe motor issue

will have a test ride in a few months when i get back from my Europe ride and after summer here (41C at 0930 this am)

what batteries are you guys running in your XC's????

the sales guy here said they were putting a Ni-cad battery in their demo

all the best
Reef

[Windy Rider]

Originally Posted by Burren Rider

I missed this one on my first reply. My understanding of the stepper motor though is that if you do the maintenance, it won't be an issue. If it was a ticking time bomb I could understand the reluctance to take it into remote area's (I wasn't thrilled when mine played up in the outback). Now that we know about the problem though and what needs to be done to prevent it, I think it has been relegated to a bit of additional maintenance

Hi Burren,

Thanks for the comment about my home made Oil filter guard, I love to make things like this in the shed. Did you see the Rear brake reservoir guard that I made, back in post 1004.

I would like to add further comment on the stepper motor issue and tell what happen to me on this issue;
This was an issue for me from very early on from about 600km on the odometer, as I wasted no time getting the Tiger into the dirt and dusty conditions. After this ride I went home and gave the Tiger a wash and the problem seamed to go away. I told my dealer about it and they suggested to upload the latest map for the Tiger, which made a difference to the Tiger. Until last week I was toward the end of a 1300km ride and again in dusty conditions. I was able to get the bike to run normally by turning the bike on and off three or four times getting it to do its full cycle. Once I got home I went straight to My local dealer and informed them of the problem. So the Tiger was booked in for sugery. when I took her in I asked the mechanic if he could call me when he had it apart so I could have a look for my self what the problem was.

The mechanic was great in explaining it all to me and what the actual problem was. He explained to me that it was not actually the stepper motor that it was the arm that the stepper motor actuates, (see the picture bellow) Only on some Tigers the problem is the brass bush in this arm has not been lubricated during manufacture at the triumph factory therefore allowing dust to enter the bush and stop it from moving, the mechanic showed me the dust that he cleaned from inside this bush (it was amazing how much dust came out of this little bush).

The remidy this offending bush is to lubricate with 'Never Seize' and to never have this problem again.

This is a big job for self maintenance once the tank etc are off and then the air box the top of the Throttle bodies have to come off as this arm is between two of them. Once back together the carbys have to be sinked back together. The mechanic said if I wanted to check this myself in the future to bring it back in and he would sink the Throttle bodies again for me.

All is good again. I hope I have explained things right and have put some minds at ease to what the acual problem is. if you are worried about this and are giong on a big trip I would get it looked at. It took my mechanic about two & half hours to do this.

[Reefdog]

Carby's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought these XC's were fuel injected as below ???????????????????????????????

Specifications

Engine and Transmission
Type		Liquid-cooled, 12 valve, DOHC, in-line three-cylinder
Capacity		799cc
Bore/Stroke		74.0 x 61.9mm
Fuel System		Multipoint sequential electronic fuel injection
Exhaust		Stainless steel 3 into 1, high level stainless steel silencer
Final Drive		O ring chain
Clutch		Wet, multi-plate
Gearbox		6-speed
Oil Capacity		3.7 liters (1.0 US gals)

[Mercury264]

Originally Posted by Reefdog

Carby's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought these XC's were fuel injected as below ???????????????????????????????

Specifications

They are FI, WTF are you on about

[Windy Rider]

Originally Posted by Reefdog

Carby's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought these XC's were fuel injected as below ???????????????????????????????

Specifications

Picky, yes I realise they are fuel injected, just trying to explain this to be helpful to fellow Tiger riders

[Mercury264]

Originally Posted by Windy Rider

Picky, yes I realise they are fuel injected, just trying to explain this to be helpful to fellow Tiger riders

It was a great post Windy, very helpful.

[blacktiger]

Originally Posted by Windy Rider

Thanks for the photo. Are you saying that the dust getting inside the bush is stopping the arm from moving?
Do you think that covering the whole of the outside of the bush with grease would prevent the dust from getting at the bush?
Never Seize = Copper grease????

Originally Posted by Reefdog

Carby's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought these XC's were fuel injected as below ???????????????????????????????

Even though it's EFI the throttle bodies still need synchronising.

[Windy Rider]

Originally Posted by blacktiger

Thanks for the photo. Are you saying that the dust getting inside the bush is stopping the arm from moving?
Do you think that covering the whole of the outside of the bush with grease would prevent the dust from getting at the bush?
Never Seize = Copper grease????

The mechanic showed me the dust inside the bush, grease out side the bush, not sure?

Even though it's EFI the throttle bodies still need synchronising.

This is what the mechanic said to me, he had to plug in the laptop and sink it. Maybe to do with the EFI

[blacktiger]

Originally Posted by Windy Rider

This is what the mechanic said to me, he had to plug in the laptop and sink it. Maybe to do with the EFI

It's exactly the same as having carbs. What you're doing is making sure the butterflies are all opening at the same time so that all the cylinders work at the same rate. That way you get the best out of the engine & smoother running because everything is working together.

[turboICE]

Fuel injection regulates, well fuel... throttle butterflies regulate air... fuel injection doesn't eliminate the need to regulate air nor to sync butterflies in multiple throttle bodies.

[halfast3]

Originally Posted by blacktiger

Thanks for the photo. Are you saying that the dust getting inside the bush is stopping the arm from moving?
Do you think that covering the whole of the outside of the bush with grease would prevent the dust from getting at the bush?
Never Seize = Copper grease????

I'm thinking that grease will just attract more dust/dirt. Perhaps it would be better to use a lube which penetrates and then dries non-sticky like Boeshield T-9 http://boeshield.com/features-benefits/auto-cycle/ or a bicycle chain wax.

[fbj913]

Originally Posted by halfast3

I'm thinking that grease will just attract more dust/dirt. Perhaps it would be better to use a lube which penetrates and then dries non-sticky like Boeshield T-9 http://boeshield.com/features-benefits/auto-cycle/ or a bicycle chain wax.

As said 100 times, yes... This thread is getting to be a broken record.