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Old 07-11-2012, 03:08 PM   #1141
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Morocco was a blast, took some tips from this topic too towards setting up the bike.
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Old 07-11-2012, 04:30 PM   #1142
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Hi Burren,

Thanks for the comment about my home made Oil filter guard, I love to make things like this in the shed. Did you see the Rear brake reservoir guard that I made, back in post 1004.

I would like to add further comment on the stepper motor issue and tell what happen to me on this issue;
This was an issue for me from very early on from about 600km on the odometer, as I wasted no time getting the Tiger into the dirt and dusty conditions. After this ride I went home and gave the Tiger a wash and the problem seamed to go away. I told my dealer about it and they suggested to upload the latest map for the Tiger, which made a difference to the Tiger. Until last week I was toward the end of a 1300km ride and again in dusty conditions. I was able to get the bike to run normally by turning the bike on and off three or four times getting it to do its full cycle. Once I got home I went straight to My local dealer and informed them of the problem. So the Tiger was booked in for sugery. when I took her in I asked the mechanic if he could call me when he had it apart so I could have a look for my self what the problem was.

The mechanic was great in explaining it all to me and what the actual problem was. He explained to me that it was not actually the stepper motor that it was the arm that the stepper motor actuates, (see the picture bellow) Only on some Tigers the problem is the brass bush in this arm has not been lubricated during manufacture at the triumph factory therefore allowing dust to enter the bush and stop it from moving, the mechanic showed me the dust that he cleaned from inside this bush (it was amazing how much dust came out of this little bush).

The remidy this offending bush is to lubricate with 'Never Seize' and to never have this problem again.

This is a big job for self maintenance once the tank etc are off and then the air box the top of the Throttle bodies have to come off as this arm is between two of them. Once back together the carbys have to be sinked back together. The mechanic said if I wanted to check this myself in the future to bring it back in and he would sink the Throttle bodies again for me.

All is good again. I hope I have explained things right and have put some minds at ease to what the acual problem is. if you are worried about this and are giong on a big trip I would get it looked at. It took my mechanic about two & half hours to do this.


Windy,
Looks like my XC (with 7500 miles) is doing the same thing. Can you confirm that the process above has kept the idle issue in dusty environments from occurring?

The stalling when rolling back to idle only happens when I'm following on dusty trails. When I lead, no issue.

thanks in advance,
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:24 PM   #1143
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My XC and a buddies had the stepper motor stalling issue - I've done 7000km and my buddy 13,000km+ since the gooping of the offending part - problem solved.

So such a simple fix to the problem, it has me beat why Triumph just doesn't goop em when assembling the bikes and this would be a non issue.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:02 AM   #1144
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Windy,
Looks like my XC (with 7500 miles) is doing the same thing. Can you confirm that the process above has kept the idle issue in dusty environments from occurring?

The stalling when rolling back to idle only happens when I'm following on dusty trails. When I lead, no issue.

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I would like to say that it has, but I haven,t been in any really dusty conditions lately, mainly cause it is so frigin wet and muddy here in Tassie at the moment. Suggest you get it done ASAP, just before I had it fixed it was playing up all the time. I have done nearly 2500 km since lubeing the problem shaft and had no problems at all.

I love my Tiger I ride it to work rain hail or shine even in -2 morning starts! And always go the long way home.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:10 AM   #1145
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My XC and a buddies had the stepper motor stalling issue - I've done 7000km and my buddy 13,000km+ since the gooping of the offending part - problem solved.

So such a simple fix to the problem, it has me beat why Triumph just doesn't goop em when assembling the bikes and this would be a non issue.
I was told by my dealer that it was only a small amount of bikes that got missed during manufacture and even the Triumph test bike encountered this problem when testing in Australia, we few were the lucky ones to get the ones that weren't lubed properly.
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:09 AM   #1146
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I was told by my dealer that it was only a small amount of bikes that got missed during manufacture and even the Triumph test bike encountered this problem when testing in Australia, we few were the lucky ones to get the ones that weren't lubed properly.
Hey Windy,

I think your bike and mine came from the same shipment to Oz.
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:20 PM   #1147
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Awhile back I promised to make a detailed post of my new suspension set up. I finally got around to it. I'm going to post this over on the Tiger thread as well, but I don't expect much of a respose over there. Like I posted before, the endless debate over there is about bags and Roadie vs XC. But here is a thread for "Dialing in the 800XC for Dirt". And that is exactly what this mod does.

I am writing this post to talk about the suspension upgrades I have had done to my 2011 Triumph Tiger 800XC.

As of right now, I don't know of anybody else that has made the upgrades that I have done. Not to say that somebody hasn't done it, cause I'm pretty sure the chances are good that somebody has, I just don't know who. I haven't read anything yet.

And when I say "I", I really mean Jay over at Sasquatch Suspensions in Boise, ID. I helped a bit, but it was his expertise that transformed this bike.

I put about 15,000 glorious miles on "Hobbes" before I had the suspension done. I thought the suspension was fantastic out of the box, but I knew it could be better. I bottomed it out a fair amount and I could tell that even with preload, the rear was soft.

I contacted Jay and he was excited to work on a new platform and add it to his repertoires.

I met up with him in early April 2012 to talk about how the bike handled and so he could get a first hand look at it.

I showed up with zero miles remaining on the fuel counter. We took the sag measurements with ZERO fuel, no safety gear, and just me. I'm 5'10 and 180 lbs at the time. I'm less now. Been working out.

The sags were blown out with no weight on the bike! And even before that, Jay could tell that the front fork springs were weak from where they were riding on the exposed piston.

The measurements we took are as follows.

The front measured at 3.25" with a target of 2.85". The rear measured 3.6" with a target of 2.96". The rear was measured with zero preload cranked on. When we cranked on full preload, we were able to hit the target at 2.9". Please keep in mind that these measurements were taken with no fuel, safety gear, or luggage/camping gear. Once I added all that stuff, the numbers would be far worse.

Just an FYI, we calculated the target sag as 30-35% of the full suspension travel. Measurements were taken from the axle to a known point on the bodywork.

So, there was work to be done on my bike. And, I know yours as well.

We got together again on 4-15-12 after I returned from a 1000 mile trip to Seattle and back.


We dropped the forks and shock in no time. Jay was quick to have the disassembly done. This guy really knows what he's doing.

We took a ton of measurements and calculated spring rates. Then, we talked about how I wanted the bike to perform.

I told him that with full fuel, full safety gear, full backpack with 100oz of water, and 30lbs of camping gear in my tail bag, I wanted ZERO preload set. Yes, for a day ride with out the camping gear on, it will be a bit stiff. But, the only time I want to crank on the preload is when I have a passenger, or I actually put my aluminum Happy Trails panniers on.

Done. We had to have custom springs made since he couldn't find a pre-made part number to get what I wanted. Getting a custom spring is very little price difference from a pre-made one. We just couldn't find what we were looking for in a pre-made size and rate.

Then, we went into some detailed questions about how I wanted the valving done. He asked if it felt like the brakes when on when I hit washboard. Yes. He asked if the front drifted around a corner in washboard. Yes. Do you jump the bike? Yes, I have been known to get air from time to time.

I was really surprised when he asked me all these detailed questions about how the bike handled, it turns out that it really doesn't handle all that well. The ride is great, but it has some areas that need some real improvement.

After a few days, the springs returned for manufacturer and I was back at his shop for reassembly. The bike went back together just as easy as it came apart.

I sat on the bike for the first time with the mods and I could immateriality tell that it sat higher when I got on it. I thanked Jay for all his hard work, but I had to run! I don't take weekends off from riding that often and it was time to go!

But first, we had to grab the "after" sag numbers. This time I had about half a tank of fuel and I still left all the safety gear off to keep the numbers as honest as possible.

The front measured at 2.75" with the same target of 2.85". A drastic improvement over the 3.25". And now I had 15-20 lbs of fuel in the tank that I didn't have before.

The rear measured at 2.85" with a target of 2.96" with zero pre-load. Once again, a drastic improvement over the 3.6" before the mods.

Then, I got to ride it. WOW! Let me just say, "WOW!" Here's where the bike improved; EVERYWHERE! When hitting washboard, the bike no longer slows down. I noticed immediately that the front tracks way better through corners. Both on dirt and pavement. The front end dives much less when braking. The back just feels "planted" when accelerating on pavement. Cornering feels much better with less "bounce" when encountering bumps in a corner.

I still felt some pretty hard bottoms in the front end when hitting water bars on FR275 North of Boise. The bottom outs on the back are gone. Period. Haven't bottomed the back since I had the work done.

So, I called Jay to tell him the great news about the majority about the mods and the bad news about two parts. I wanted the second stage of the front shim stack to have some more resistance to the hard hits. Have I mentioned that I ride this bike hard yet? And, one of my fork seals was leaking. It happens to the best of us. Jay got me in that day to fix the seal and make the change to the valve stacks in the front. His work carries a 1 year, unlimited mileage warranty for any valving changes that you want made. 60 days for the seals. No problems fixing it.

The change we made was just the ticket. I still bottom the front end every now and then, but nothing like before we made the change. And not even in the same ballpark as to how much I bottomed it before we made the spring and shim changes the first time. Every bike will bottom out every now and then. Hell, I bottom out my dirt bike.

The process is simple. Drop your shock and forks and put them in the mail. He shoots for a five day turn around. Get your stuff back modified, reinstall, and prepare to be amazed with how well this bike performs once the suspension is given a little love.

I've ridden over 4000 miles on these mods now and I am totally stoked. It is amazing what he has done to improve the ride of the Tiger. I would highly recommend at least giving him a call to talk about what he can do for you. He's seen the insides and knows the changes to make. To my knowledge, nobody else has done this R&D yet. This is the best mod I have made on my bike. Period. Call Jay at Sasquatch Suspensions. Go to his website HERE.

Pricing info. Off the bike, parts shipped in. Shock: $450, Forks $350. Plus return shipping.

Here's Jay saying hello.

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Old 07-13-2012, 12:47 PM   #1148
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Excellent read and good news. Sasquatch is just a bit too far for me to bring my Roadie over for similar work ...

Regarding other people who have worked on the suspensions:

- Maxton in England does quite a bit of work on forks for Tiger owners. XC and Roadie. Doesn't help the people in the US though as they don't ship to the US because of liability problems.

- Maxton has also done shocks for Roadie and XC.

- Traxxion has their AK-20 fork cartridge ready for the Tiger Roadie and I bet they can do one for the XC pretty quickly. Expensive though.

- Penske is working on shocks for the Tiger.

On http://tiger800.co.uk are quite a few people who have their suspension reworked by a specialist to accommodate riding style, weight, shortcomings of the OEM suspension.

It's great that with Sasquatch there is another option available in the US!
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:18 PM   #1149
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Excellent read and good news. Sasquatch is just a bit too far for me to bring my Roadie over for similar work ...

Regarding other people who have worked on the suspensions:

- Maxton in England does quite a bit of work on forks for Tiger owners. XC and Roadie. Doesn't help the people in the US though as they don't ship to the US because of liability problems.

- Maxton has also done shocks for Roadie and XC.

- Traxxion has their AK-20 fork cartridge ready for the Tiger Roadie and I bet they can do one for the XC pretty quickly. Expensive though.

- Penske is working on shocks for the Tiger.

On http://tiger800.co.uk are quite a few people who have their suspension reworked by a specialist to accommodate riding style, weight, shortcomings of the OEM suspension.

It's great that with Sasquatch there is another option available in the US!
Jay does work for people all over the country. Drop your components and mail them to him. Your bike will be down for about a week and a half at most.

I figured that there were others out there doing mods. I just hadn't read about any.

The nice thing about Jay is he reworks your factory suspension and it is really quite affordable.
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:25 PM   #1150
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Jay does work for people all over the country. Drop your components and mail them to him. Your bike will be down for about a week and a half at most.

I figured that there were others out there doing mods. I just hadn't read about any.

The nice thing about Jay is he reworks your factory suspension and it is really quite affordable.
I for one really appreciate all the R&D that y'all have done. I plan to give Jay a call when I can get the money. Does he plan to sell kits for DIY? I have to get my forks better. Right now my Tiger is my main transportation & I don't want to even think about riding my 450exc to work every day.
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Old 07-15-2012, 03:05 PM   #1151
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I for one really appreciate all the R&D that y'all have done. I plan to give Jay a call when I can get the money. Does he plan to sell kits for DIY? I have to get my forks better. Right now my Tiger is my main transportation & I don't want to even think about riding my 450exc to work every day.

Krooztune in Australia do 6.2 kg front springs that come with instalation instructions for around $160.00 Aus. These springs fix the problem of bottoming out.
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:14 PM   #1152
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Unifilter for ABS models

Here is some pic's of my newly installed Pre Filter from Unifilter australia. They have redesigned the filter to fit easier on ABS models


Showing part Number

heaps easier to fit and not all squashed up with the ABS gear
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:44 PM   #1153
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Here is some pic's of my newly installed Pre Filter from Unifilter australia. They have redesigned the filter to fit easier on ABS models


Showing part Number

heaps easier to fit and not all squashed up with the ABS gear
Looks like it should come with a fluffer!
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:50 PM   #1154
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Can those filters be procured in the states? Or strictly an Oz item?
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:53 PM   #1155
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Can those filters be procured in the states? Or strictly an Oz item?
yep, Ive got one of the originals. fit it on an abs model.
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