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Old 09-27-2012, 08:19 AM   #1381
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I've read numerous complaints on it, no fixes.

Being a senior service technician I'm not satisfied simply replacing it at 12k being it doesn't fix the core problem of faulty design. After looking at the swingarm assy, I can see where the plastic/rubber chain gaurd on the under side has some play and it seems the noise is amplified when the chain hits the guard and then in turn hits the swingarm. I'm wondering if removing the guard and placing some sort of dampener/isolating material between the swingarm and the guard may help.

I will post up some results if it works


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All of my dualsports/adventure bikes I had did have same need for replacement every 10-15000 km. It simply wears out, e.g. chain does touch it. The only way around it is installing swingarm axle that it lines with front sprocket axle.
Damping material may help, but chain still will slap against guard. If you replace guard with for examply DYI softer - it will wear out quicker. If it is indeed UHMW PE - I am happy, as it is has better abrasion resistance than mild steel and almost as slippery as teflon. Worked 5 times longer than stock on my DR. So - damping material between is probably only thing that can be done.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:41 AM   #1382
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+1

Out of dozens of bikes this is the first I've had a centerstand on. Well, maybe since the Honda 350-Four I had in the 70's. For a bike of this size with tubed tires I also think it's a must-have. It makes servicing it so much easier for both on the road as well as at home in the garage. I also like the versatility of a centerstand for loading or unloading touring/camping gear.

We use the enduro stand on the dualsports, and while it would work for the Tiger it's at the upper limit of capacity for one. Still do-able though, I tested it a couple of times with the Versys and it was fine. The tiger is about 25lbs more than the Kawi.

http://www.endurostar.com/
Here's a SE up on one. Once a bike is on the side stand it's nothing to lean into it and get enough lift to slip the stand under a convenient prop spot, front or rear. I have my endurostar stand marked for the proper height for the Husky so there's no fiddling around with it in the field to get it set right.
BTW, endurostar comes from one of our fellow inmates.

+1 on the EnduroStar stand...works great on my DRZ or the Tiger and it's very solidly constructed...zero concerns about strength to support a Tiger. With all the effort people go to trying to shave a few pounds off a bike, adding a center stand certainly seems to be going the wrong way.

I do have a lift for doing service when at home, so no need there.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:56 AM   #1383
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+1 on the EnduroStar stand...works great on my DRZ or the Tiger and it's very solidly constructed...zero concerns about strength to support a Tiger. With all the effort people go to trying to shave a few pounds off a bike, adding a center stand certainly seems to be going the wrong way.

I do have a lift for doing service when at home, so no need there.
Just "lurking with intent to loiter" at lunch and look what I found....
Thanks TerraUnFirma and Browneye for the "props"
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:52 AM   #1384
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Just "lurking with intent to loiter" at lunch and look what I found....
Thanks TerraUnFirma and Browneye for the "props"

Hey Steve! No problem.
An ENDUROSTAR stand is ALWAYS in my backpack.

BTW, they also work great to keep the front or rear wheel off the ground WITH a centerstand if you need to repair a flat in the field. For the $35 or so it's a no-brainer.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:32 AM   #1385
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Hey Steve! No problem.
An ENDUROSTAR stand is ALWAYS in my backpack.

BTW, they also work great to keep the front or rear wheel off the ground WITH a centerstand if you need to repair a flat in the field. For the $35 or so it's a no-brainer.
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That is exactly right, not to mention that when Somebody Else gets a flat with no center stand you dont have to hold their bike!

But here is what I was wondering, this may be 205 for a lot of your but are these 800XC Tigers in this video?
Very impressive riding and bikes! I've been thinking about a bigger "adventure bike" lately and have been considering the 950-990 KTM, the Yamaha Super Tenere (the World Crosser with the white with the red speed block strips really gets my attention) but maybe I have overlooked the Triumph, the 3 cylinder engine just seemed to be big and bulky but if they can do this (i know these are pro riders) I guess I might need a test ride.



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Old 09-27-2012, 11:56 AM   #1386
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That is exactly right, not to mention that we Somebody Else gets a flat with not center stand you dont have to hold their bike!

But here is what I was wondering, this may be 205 for a lot of your but are these 800XC Tigers in this video?
Very impressive riding and bikes! I've been thinking about a bigger "adventure bike" lately and have been considering the 950-990 KTM, the Yamaha Super Tenere (the World Crosser with the white with the red speed block strips really gets my attention) but maybe I have overlooked the Triumph, the 3 cylinder engine just seemed to be big and bulky but if they can do this (i know these are pro riders) I guess I might need a test ride.
Don't be fooled by stunt riders in a publicity stunt video. That said, those are XC's and they will do that stuff if you want to push one that hard and are that aggressive. Most of us are pretty mild riders. Well, except for AVMECH, he's a maniac. Check out his report thread in his sig.

If you haven't found this thread it's worth a read: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=827146
Lots of mention of the bikes you're looking at and why we didn't buy them, why we chose the Tiger.

The triple motor is one of the top assets of this bike. It is absoulutely brilliant. Power and smoothness, buttery shifting, it's a segment killer.

Just don't ride one unless you're serious because you won't be able to stand it 'till you have on in the garage.

Makes for an outstanding stablemate to the Husky.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:56 AM   #1387
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They are indeed Tiger XC's.

Remember...Once you go Triple baby

I don't think they are bigger or bulkier than the other ADV big bikes. Not perfect for sure but no bike is.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:02 PM   #1388
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That is exactly right, not to mention that we Somebody Else gets a flat with not center stand you dont have to hold their bike!

But here is what I was wondering, this may be 205 for a lot of your but are these 800XC Tigers in this video?
Very impressive riding and bikes! I've been thinking about a bigger "adventure bike" lately and have been considering the 950-990 KTM, the Yamaha Super Tenere (the World Crosser with the white with the red speed block strips really gets my attention) but maybe I have overlooked the Triumph, the 3 cylinder engine just seemed to be big and bulky but if they can do this (i know these are pro riders) I guess I might need a test ride.



Yep they are Tigers. Highly modified but still Tigers. The bike is quite capable. I ride mine in places like this. Sometimes it get tired and wants to take a nap. I have found it very, read VERY, inexpensive to repair. Not bad for a fully loaded ADV bike.

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Old 09-27-2012, 12:15 PM   #1389
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I've read numerous complaints on it, no fixes.

Being a senior service technician I'm not satisfied simply replacing it at 12k being it doesn't fix the core problem of faulty design. After looking at the swingarm assy, I can see where the plastic/rubber chain gaurd on the under side has some play and it seems the noise is amplified when the chain hits the guard and then in turn hits the swingarm. I'm wondering if removing the guard and placing some sort of dampener/isolating material between the swingarm and the guard may help.

I will post up some results if it works


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As a mechanical engineering designer, I'd say it's not a fault of bad design. As bluesman points out below, it's the same on almost every bike. The length of chain along with long travel suspension doesn't help matters because it's going to need more slack and, therefore, have more likelyhood of slapping the chain guides.
If your experiment with packing works, fine. I'd say it's a non issue and not worth the effort. And, you don't HAVE TO replace them at 12K. That's just Triumph making some bucks out of us at service time.

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All of my dualsports/adventure bikes I had did have same need for replacement every 10-15000 km. It simply wears out, e.g. chain does touch it. The only way around it is installing swingarm axle that it lines with front sprocket axle.
Damping material may help, but chain still will slap against guard. If you replace guard with for examply DYI softer - it will wear out quicker. If it is indeed UHMW PE - I am happy, as it is has better abrasion resistance than mild steel and almost as slippery as teflon. Worked 5 times longer than stock on my DR. So - damping material between is probably only thing that can be done.
P.S. I thought "Senior Service" were cigarettes.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:27 PM   #1390
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As a mechanical engineering designer, I'd say it's not a fault of bad design. As bluesman points out below, it's the same on almost every bike. The length of chain along with long travel suspension doesn't help matters because it's going to need more slack and, therefore, have more likelyhood of slapping the chain guides.
If your experiment with packing works, fine. I'd say it's a non issue and not worth the effort. And, you don't HAVE TO replace them at 12K. That's just Triumph making some bucks out of us at service time.



P.S. I thought "Senior Service" were cigarettes.

I've owned numerous dirt bike/ Enduro's from 1978 up to this 2012, never had one make this noise. Ohh well

I don't smoke, & don't get the reference. Must be an old fart joke
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:57 PM   #1391
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I've owned numerous dirt bike/ Enduro's from 1978 up to this 2012, never had one make this noise. Ohh well

I don't smoke, & don't get the reference. Must be an old fart joke
If you've owned bikes from 1978 you can't be that far behind me in the old fart stakes.
FYI ; Senior Service....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Service_(cigarette)
http://www.zigsam.at/B_SeniorService.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDoc6HeScNg
Maybe you didn't get them over there. Classic unfiltered cancer sticks along with Woodbines.
I don't smoke either but I designed cigarette packaging machinery.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:08 PM   #1392
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I am getting impression that Tiger attracts mechanical engineers.

Rant on.
Yes Sir, 6 years in technological university (same department and building where Sikorsky and Korolev studied), full degree in machines design and technology....several years work and then wasted it all because it did not pay well. Now I have to fight with ignorant people and those horrible things called computers.
This s...s. My father had 26 patents (real ones, that worked in oil industry) by same age. Shame.
Rant over.

Back to chain slapping. I checked on my Tiger - I doubt damping between slider and swingarm will help.
Not that I bothered by noise - after riding 800 cc air cooled thumper
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:08 PM   #1393
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If you've owned bikes from 1978 you can't be that far behind me in the old fart stakes.
FYI ; Senior Service....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Service_(cigarette)
http://www.zigsam.at/B_SeniorService.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDoc6HeScNg
Maybe you didn't get them over there. Classic unfiltered cancer sticks along with Woodbines.
I don't smoke either but I designed cigarette packaging machinery.
You fired that research off QUICK for a grumpy ol man!!

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Old 09-27-2012, 01:10 PM   #1394
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I am getting impression that Tiger attracts mechanical engineers.

Rant on.
Yes Sir, 6 years in technological university (same department and building where Sikorsky and Korolev studied), full degree in machines design and technology....several years work and then wasted it all because it did not pay well. Now I have to fight with ignorant people and those horrible things called computers.
This s...s. My father had 26 patents (real ones, that worked in oil industry) by same age. Shame.
Rant over.

Back to chain slapping. I checked on my Tiger - I doubt damping between slider and swingarm will help.
Not that I bothered by noise - after riding 800 cc air cooled thumper

Yea went to college for mechanical engineering in the 90's, now doing IT as well. What a small world.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:25 PM   #1395
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You fired that research off QUICK for a grumpy ol man!!
Isn't Google wonderful?
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