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Old 07-13-2012, 06:16 PM   #121
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Tubliss is made of a red stripe (or liner, or whatever its called) inflated with a bicycle-like tube. That in turn squeeze the tyre against the rim. Suppose you seal the rim. And the bicycle-like tube is gone. How would you inflate the red stripe?

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Just like on any tubeless rim, by inflating the tire through the valve stem (air-sealed into the rim).
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:26 PM   #122
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I run tubliss on my 500exc , there hi maintenance ( go flat after five days ) need to be balanced ,but awesome traction at low psi , next tyre change I will use some slime to see if that helps stop them going flat
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:05 PM   #123
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Just like on any tubeless rim, by inflating the tire through the valve stem (air-sealed into the rim).
I suppose you are aware how a tubliss is built ? How the inner blade could ever inflate ??? The air you would blow into the inner bladder would inevitably find itself into the tyre simply because the inner blader could not be air tight at first ...

The inner bladder is not spring loaded towards the tyre sides. Only an inner tube could "inflate" the inner blader.

I mean, if the tube into the tubliss is gone, how would you make the inner blader air tight enough that you could inflate it to 110 psi ??? You would inflate the tyre first to 18 PSI in hope the bladder would be air tight enough to inflate it afterward ???

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Old 07-14-2012, 12:22 AM   #124
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Paul,

I am not sure what you are trying to do here. The Tubliss and the sealed rim work independently of each other, so if you have both, if one fails the other will provide a backup.

Should the Tubliss liner get a hole and deflate, the air will not have a way to escape as the spoke holes are sealed. And the air pressure in the tire itself will keep the sidewall sealed against the rim (just like a normal tubeless rim).

Same with the spoke holes, if one of them starts leaking it will not matter as the Tubliss keeps the air inside of the tire with the liner.


Have you ever changed a tire on a real tubeless rim? To inflate the tire, if you have Tubliss you inflate that first, if you don't you just blow air into the valve that is sealed into the rim. You don't need anything "spring loaded", the tire will seal fine by itself even before it seats over the bead.

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Old 07-14-2012, 12:40 AM   #125
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Even better run 2 fuel pumps 1as a back up ,keep the stock and add extra in the front tanks ,it would require either switches or a plug and play but shouldn't be that hard .

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Old 07-14-2012, 03:15 AM   #126
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I am not sure what you are trying to do here. The Tubliss and the sealed rim work independently of each other, so if you have both, if one fails the other will provide a backup..
Ok

Back to square one.

The tubliss system is made of 3 parts.
1- Rim lock. Drilled with a schradder valve.
2- Bicycle-like tube. And its own schradder valve. The blue part here: http://www.nuetech.com/index.shtml
3- Liner. That's the red part.

Once installed, you inflate the tubliss tube to 100 PSI, using the tube's valve. Then the main air chambre - the tyre - with the schradder valve on the rim lock.

Ok What I understand now, is that you want to seal the rim spokes holes so that when the Tubliss bicycle-like tube is punctured, air would have no way out. That means you will have to find a way to seal the Tubliss bicycle-like tube valve on the rim as well.

Or

You want to remove the Tubliss bicycle-like tube completely and install a tubeless-style valve. But then, how would we initially "inflate" the liner ??? That was my first question.

And by the way, is the valve on the rim-lock sealed properly ??? I wonder if its reliable ...

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Old 07-14-2012, 03:47 AM   #127
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Ok

Back to square one.

The tubliss system is made of 3 parts.
1- Rim lock. Drilled with a schradder valve.
2- Bicycle-like tube. And its own schradder valve. The blue part here: http://www.nuetech.com/index.shtml
3- Liner. That's the red part.

Once installed, you inflate the tubliss tube to 100 PSI, using the tube's valve. Then the main air chambre - the tyre - with the schradder valve on the rim lock.

Ok What I understand now, is that you want to seal the rim spokes holes so that when the Tubliss bicycle-like tube is punctured, air would have no way out. That means you will have to find a way to seal the Tubliss bicycle-like tube valve on the rim as well.

Or

You want to remove the Tubliss bicycle-like tube completely and install a tubeless-style valve. But then, how would we initially "inflate" the liner ??? That was my first question.

And by the way, is the valve on the rim-lock sealed properly ??? I wonder if its reliable ...

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The tubliss kt comes with rimtape to seal and protect the hi pressure bladder from spokes and help seal the rim
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Old 07-14-2012, 04:09 AM   #128
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THought this thread was about EI's 690 build, take your tubliss tyres and stick them in their own thread.
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Old 07-14-2012, 05:33 AM   #129
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Paul,

I haven't tried it but yes, I do believe the rim lock shrader valve will seal sufficiently once it is tightened.


Beaney is right though, let's get this back on topic. Sorry Evil Invader for the minor diversion.

Here is the now finished 690 Adventure R owned by David Jenni from Enduristan, next to Despres Rally. It was built by KTM Basel with OEM 450 Rally parts and they are thinking about making it available as a kit:

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Old 07-14-2012, 10:25 AM   #130
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I see that they have fitted the 450 rear tank, do you know if they put the injection pump and regulator in that rear tank, ( thats if they still have the injection fitted)


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Old 07-14-2012, 12:48 PM   #131
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I see that they have fitted the 450 rear tank, do you know if they put the injection pump and regulator in that rear tank, ( thats if they still have the injection fitted)
Hi Wes,

I am going to have a chat with them next week, will ask about the pump. I know that David originally planned to keep the stock 690 rear tank, just to show that his Enduristan luggage works well with it. But the 450RR rear tank is a nice addition if you have to run the header/mid-pipe under the foot peg, because then the muffler won't work well in the stock location, at least not without some ugly pipe work.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:51 AM   #132
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Hey E.I did you get your fuel starvation sorted ,


Speedi , I ( micah) sent you an email last week for prices on your kit could you post a write up on it and how you have mounted the front fuel pump
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It was built by KTM Basel with OEM 450 Rally parts and they are thinking about making it available as a kit:

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Old 07-18-2012, 04:07 PM   #134
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Cape town Ktm have s kit for about $4500 aud .I'll be ordering what I need next week
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MAN did this thread go haywire!!



Sorry for late replies, being busy working and looking after my son....





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Hey E.I did you get your fuel starvation sorted ,
Nope. Will rework it when winter arrives, and think I will still use the Suzi quad pump, and have a vaccumpump help feed it. Really would like the fuelpump out from the tank...
But would still be nice to se Speedi´s sollution.

But for now I just wanna ride the darn thing!

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Cape town Ktm have s kit for about $4500 aud .I'll be ordering what I need next week
Nice to see I can stir the pot a bit. Remember Mudders, You started it!
Lookin forward for your buildthread!

Still no bashplate though....starting to loose hope on RRUK now...

Got some stickers made for it. Wadayathink?









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