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Old 10-13-2011, 07:45 AM   #121
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There sure is a lot of sniveling going on about Fees.

Look in the Harley Brochure. It lists freight separate from MSRP. It is simply how they price the bikes. Other manufacturers may do it differently.

With the short supply of bikes right now I know of some dealers marking some of the harder to get bikes up $2500. (not where I work... We price them the same as we always have)

There are ways around the fees. As an example: Do you need any gear? A new helmet perhaps? Do you want a backrest. Luggage Rack, Pipes???
Do you want a forward controls? A windshield? (not being FLD specific here)

The buyer is ultimately in control... They just need to be nice and know how to get things they want. If you walk into the store and simply ask for a discount on a bike that is in VERY short supply it IS NOT an intelligent way to get what you want.

Why would a dealer simply lay down and give away a $1000.00 when they could sit on it for a few hours or a few days and keep the $1000,00?

Would you do that if you were selling a bike?

If you want a Switchback below MSRP you are in for a LONG wait. Me... When I want something I buy it. Waiting to save a few hundred bucks make no sense.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:15 AM   #122
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Well I really liked it. Got to give it back on Monday.

Dave, have you ever tested a bike you didn't like???

For me bikes are like girl friends.... their all good for the first few rides!!!

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Old 10-13-2011, 08:18 AM   #123
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Fyi - you've never even come close to floating valves on any stock or mildly tuned Harley. You are hitting the ecm controlled rev limiter at 5500 rpm. With a remap it is likely reset to 6200 rpm. Stock valves and springs have no problems keeping up at that engine speed.
Hey Mr Bueller.... Tell mr more about the "'remap". Is that a H-D performance option or aftermarket??

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Old 10-13-2011, 12:07 PM   #124
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Yeah - there's some I didn't like, the ones I can't be arsed making a vid or arguing about on the intarnet.

There's not that many though - most of what I've tested has been 'fit for purpose' and the gig is not about 'my' purpose.

I own a KLR. :-)
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:06 PM   #125
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For me bikes are like girl friends.... their all good for the first few rides!!!
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:15 PM   #126
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Two different animals. Get on your bike at start off without your right hand on the throttle and get back to us.
I can, its called a Speed Triple, and I've carried a 6 pack of beer right handed from the liquor store back to my hotel in 25 mph traffic without ever using my right hand.

Get a Harley into 3rd gear without ever touching the throttle and get back to me.
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:23 PM   #127
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Hey Mr Bueller.... Tell mr more about the "'remap". Is that a H-D performance option or aftermarket??

Regards, Paul
A screaming eagle performance accessory. It contains a dongle that unlocks the ecm so you can alter all of the fuel, spark, idle, cold enrichment, (and a bunch of other) tables to your liking. Among the things you can change is the rev limit.
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:39 PM   #128
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I received the November issue of MCN in the mail today and the Switchback was on the cover. I read their review and found a few things interesting because of some of the opinions that have been expressed in this thread.

MCN found the brakes stopped the bike very well, in spite of the fact that the front brake has only one disc.

MCN also praised the handling of the bike, liking the forks more than the rear shocks.

MCN liked the engine, but said it was better for going down the highway than riding around town because of the heat it produced.

MCN did criticize the buffeting caused by the windshield and the rough shifting of the transmission.

Bottom line is that MCN believes HD has hit a home run with this bike.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:38 PM   #129
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Interesting. the gearbox on the test bike I have is sweet and positive shifting.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:32 PM   #130
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Interesting. the gearbox on the test bike I have is sweet and positive shifting.
They get better after some miles are put on the bike. Some new ones need to be turned off just to get them into neutral.

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I can, its called a Speed Triple, and I've carried a 6 pack of beer right handed from the liquor store back to my hotel in 25 mph traffic without ever using my right hand.

Get a Harley into 3rd gear without ever touching the throttle and get back to me.

3rd gear in 25 mph traffic.
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:24 PM   #131
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Interesting. the gearbox on the test bike I have is sweet and positive shifting.
You know whats funny? My Roadking shifts easier and better than my R1200GS or K75C ever did.

As for this switchback, looks like a fun everyday riding bike with some limited longer distance riding. What can I say? I'm a sucker for Dynas that aren't all raked out.
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They get better after some miles are put on the bike. Some new ones need to be turned off just to get them into neutral.
Yes true - I've only had a couple of cantankerous units in the last 20+ Harley test bikes though.

The most noticeable run-in for a gearbox I've experienced is the Rocket III - 800km and they transform.
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They get better after some miles are put on the bike. Some new ones need to be turned off just to get them into neutral.




3rd gear in 25 mph traffic.
Yeah, at a 1000rpm idle....with a LOT of sprocket

I wasn't bashing the bike, but when you see a Harley with one gauge display, traditionally its safe bet that there is really no instrumentation other than a speedo and a couple idiot lights. The one demo I've had on a post 88ci Dyna was that Fat Bob and I was busy making my escort curse and try to keep up with his dropped road glide....not tittering around with the gauge to see what it can do.

Of couse half of that was me being an ass, that is also the dealer that I road 25(ish) miles in 20 degree weather to demo a a Buell 1125R and it took them three hours to find one that actually started....with a day notice.

So when I do pass by I try to make it as miserable for them as possible, I won't even buy gifts for people at that shop now. ...because my Harley riding friends are EASY to shop for around the Holidays and birthdays, I can take out 3/4 of my list in one stop to a Harley dealer

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The most noticeable run-in for a gearbox I've experienced is the Rocket III - 800km and they transform.
955i Triumphs were like that also
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Old 10-14-2011, 08:51 AM   #134
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A screaming eagle performance accessory. It contains a dongle that unlocks the ecm so you can alter all of the fuel, spark, idle, cold enrichment, (and a bunch of other) tables to your liking. Among the things you can change is the rev limit.
Interesting info, thanks Mr Bueller.

I'm not interested in being a tuner but I suspect there are modified maps available?

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Old 10-14-2011, 01:11 PM   #135
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I demo'd one of these last month when Harley had out their 2012 models. It was the one I was most looking forward to trying and it was the most disappointing. Terrible vibrations all the time, front end shake on the highway, and the air cleaner on the right numbed the crap out of my right knee.

On the other hand, I also tried a Fatboy Lo. Smooth, didn't mind higher engine revs, air cleaner still touched my leg but didn't bother me at all. I was thoroughly impressed with it and I'm not a Harley fan.
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