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Old 01-27-2012, 05:32 PM   #1456
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Dang it, just got an email back and they wont ship to the US of A. I would have paid whatever for shipping. I have an amigo in the UK, gonna see if I could ship it to him.

I have always wondered why we can't get certain stuff in the USA?
Probably has to do with the chicken tax. BTW, I think the manufacturer of those wiring kits is in the Netherlands. You might be able to nose around and find another retailer, perhaps one in the UK, that will sell you one. It's easier to find folks selling towing equipment for Sprinters than it is to find them selling for Camrys. Also, you don't have to use the 13-pin kit, there's a 7-pin one available, but I like the idea of having the extra feeds for other things.
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:26 PM   #1457
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So I got this "modular kitchen" idea in my head and I had an hour this afternoon to play in the garage..

The sink & its pump/water supply will be in one removable box.
The stove & its stuff will be in another removable box.

The idea being I can leave them at home in the garage when working from the van, and put them in when we want to go camping. As well, when camping, if we are going to be at a specific campsite for a while, I can pop the modules out and we can use them as an outdoor kitchen.

I started on the sink's box tonight.

The sink is going to be one of these:


16.5" in diameter.

This was my first time working with the nice smooth rounded 8020 stock. The idea being to tap the ends and use the rounded posh ends (I use the word posh because of the price of them )


after tapping, you just bolt them on



The top of the box.. using extrusions with a smooth side for all the exposed surfaces


Then the vertical legs - again the nice rounded for the two exposed outside edges


Temporary base.. the actual base will require me taking 3" off the two longer pieces and then all 4 pieces will be inset in the verticals. This will give me exposed ends facing downward which I can then tap and put threaded feet in



Here's kind of the idea... (imagine this box with wooden sizes like the boxes behind)



or it could clip over here...



or its most likely location.. clipping it here with the stove box to its left leaving a reasonable walk isle to get in and out
(yes I still have to build a box along the step that goes under it).


Putting the boxes in is quick and easy. These spring loaded roll in t-nuts can be put wherever needed


..and then just a bracket to cinch it down


I'm going to pick up some of these type of thing:


so all of the modules will be instantly removable without tools.
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:22 PM   #1458
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Hey Geek, GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!

where did you stay in Key West? That place looks awesome!
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:08 AM   #1459
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I'm coming to the conclusion that fridges suck.

A good 12V fridge (engel) costs between $1000-$1500.
It'll draw 2-3 amps.

Lets say it draws 3 amps for math.

100ah AGM battery is 67 lbs in weight and sells for say $200.
you can run a deep cycle battery down to 50% of its capacity without damaging it so that's 50 usable ah.
So that 67 lb battery running the fridge and ONLY the fridge can run it for a whopping 17 hours without charging???

If I want to camp all day saturday and all day sunday without having to start the van it sounds like I really need 200ah at a minimum if I have a fridge?

AGM 200ah battery is farking HUGE - 137 lbs and 21" long. Sells for $500.

Am I missing something here or do fridges really suck (electricity ) ?
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:23 AM   #1460
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I'm coming to the conclusion that fridges suck.

A good 12V fridge (engel) costs between $1000-$1500.
It'll draw 2-3 amps.

Lets say it draws 3 amps for math.

100ah AGM battery is 67 lbs in weight and sells for say $200.
you can run a deep cycle battery down to 50% of its capacity without damaging it so that's 50 usable ah.
So that 67 lb battery running the fridge and ONLY the fridge can run it for a whopping 17 hours without charging???

If I want to camp all day saturday and all day sunday without having to start the van it sounds like I really need 200ah at a minimum if I have a fridge?

AGM 200ah battery is farking HUGE - 137 lbs and 21" long. Sells for $500.

Am I missing something here or do fridges really suck (electricity ) ?
Nope, your math is correct. However a small solar cell hooked to charge the battery will extend your battery charge a bunch. One of the guys in my club uses a small panel, a good-sized battery (not sure of the rating) and an inverter to power a small hunting shack. In the summer he says he does not have to be careful as to how much he uses, but in the winter he needs to be mindful of the draws he puts on the system.
BTW his setup is all cheapo stuff, he said the panel cost him $50
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:25 AM   #1461
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will you be camping where there is shore power?
Rarely... it is against my religion to camp anywhere an RV can go

ok.. maybe once in a blue moon...
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:28 AM   #1462
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Nope, your math is correct. However a small solar cell hooked to charge the battery will extend your battery charge a bunch. One of the guys in my club uses a small panel, a good-sized battery (not sure of the rating) and an inverter to power a small hunting shack. In the summer he says he does not have to be careful as to how much he uses, but in the winter he needs to be mindful of the draws he puts on the system.
BTW his setup is all cheapo stuff, he said the panel cost him $50
I was definitely looking into putting a panel on the roof.. any idea how much power you can get out of a "van sized" panel?

Anyone know anything about honda generators? If I bought there little 1000w jobbie and turned it on.. at what rate could I charge the battery? Last thing I want is to run a generator for an hour a day but it would be quieter than running the van

I still have lots of homework to do it appears.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:35 AM   #1463
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http://www.outsidesupply.com/go-powe...solar-kit.aspx

Am I reading this right? This thing will actually put out 4.5 amps?

95 watt 4.5 amps - assuming ideal sunlight in death valley on a clear day in august I'm sure
but even if I was only getting 50% efficiency; that's about what the fridge is going to draw.

Solar power has come a long way! I'm amazed a 40" x 20" panel can put out that much juice!



So now the fridge is $1200, the batteries are $500, the solar panel is $800.. and then throw in wiring and a charge management system....

There better be some damn fine tasty beverages served from that fridge because its going to cost me more than a dirtbike

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Old 01-29-2012, 08:48 AM   #1464
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Thanks! Reading it now.


Geode: any idea what the espar draws per hour on say 1/3 setting?
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:57 AM   #1465
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Dang dude.. If i had any more torque or power, I'd be looking into adding a solar panel on the ol' and slo'
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:17 AM   #1466
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Dang dude.. If i had any more torque or power, I'd be looking into adding a solar panel on the ol' and slo'
Solar Panel + RC car motor hooked up to one of your wheels..
It'll double your torque for climibing hills

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Old 01-29-2012, 09:39 AM   #1467
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You may be onto something.
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:44 AM   #1468
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Old 01-29-2012, 11:35 AM   #1469
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How about a propane fridge? You'll already have a bottle to run the stove (unless you use alcohol), so it's just a little extra plumbing, or you design your enclosure to hold the fridge and two small bottles.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:38 PM   #1470
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So now the fridge is $1200, the batteries are $500, the solar panel is $800.. and then throw in wiring and a charge management system....
That's a shxtload of ice right there.

Jus' saying'.


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