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View Results: Would you buy.....
Still prefer the Tiger 800 XC 15 34.09%
Prefer the 530 over the 800 8 18.18%
Not interested in the 800 XC, but a 530...... 9 20.45%
I would have more Tigers than a circus 4 9.09%
Don't like either one. 8 18.18%
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:31 PM   #1
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Tiger Trail 530 twin (XC) poll

Okay, so, curious how this might go versus the Tiger 800 XC. Assuming that Triumph were to come out a 530 twin version of the 800 XC, and that it weighed at least 50lbs less, would you.......
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Old 12-18-2014, 04:33 PM   #2
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350 lbs and I would have another Triumph

If yamaha can make an 850cc triple that weighs 414 lbs wet......
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Old 12-18-2014, 05:11 PM   #3
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It would depend a great deal on what else is in the garage.

If it were my only bike, I'd probably prefer the 800 triple.

If I had a larger bike for primarily road use, I'd want the 530 twin for sure IF it was at least 50 lbs lighter (hopefully under 400 lbs) and they used a 270 crank.

I'm not sure how to enter that in the poll.
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Old 12-18-2014, 05:13 PM   #4
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50lbs less?

What's the point?

And as long as we're talking fairytales, I'd rather have a unicorn.
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Old 12-18-2014, 07:42 PM   #5
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Unicorns weren't on the poll.

If a Tiger 800XC wet weight is 475 Lbs based on Triuimph's website asking for a 425 lb 530cc twin is NOT out of line at all.

A Honda CB500x twin is listed on their website at 430 lbs curb weight.
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Old 12-18-2014, 07:52 PM   #6
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Unicorns weren't on the poll.

If a Tiger 800XC wet weight is 475 Lbs based on Triuimph's website asking for a 425 lb 530cc twin is NOT out of line at all.

A Honda CB500x twin is listed on their website at 430 lbs curb weight.
Granted, but unicorns are at least as common

I didn't say a 425lb, 530cc twin was out of line. I said it's not nearly enough of a weight loss to be a big advantage.
As long as we're playing make-believe, why not make it a useful weight loss? Why not an imaginary sub-400lb parallel twin?

This is John's second practice in mental masturbation over a bike not planned by the manufacturer. I understand that it's his fairytale and he can tell it however he wants. I just think he ought to make it interesting this time around.
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Old 12-18-2014, 08:20 PM   #7
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A Honda CB500x twin is listed on their website at 430 lbs curb weight.
The 49 state non abs model claims 423 lbs curb weight according to my manual. Since we're counting pounds.
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Old 12-18-2014, 08:41 PM   #8
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The 49 state non abs model claims 423 lbs curb weight according to my manual. Since we're counting pounds.
Funny , that's what my scale said this morning when I got on it........
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Old 12-18-2014, 09:44 PM   #9
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I didn't say a 425lb, 530cc twin was out of line. I said it's not nearly enough of a weight loss to be a big advantage.
As long as we're playing make-believe, why not make it a useful weight loss? Why not an imaginary sub-400lb parallel twin?
Sigh. Can't win. If I say "under 400lbs", then some people make the ridiculous claim that it's impossible. If I say "at least 50lbs less", then some people say it's not enough to bother.

First off, 50lbs is pretty significant, though I'd obviously rather see it approach 100lbs. But here's the thing. If you make it an ADV bike, then it will be a good 25-50lbs heavier than an Enduro design. Personally, I'd like to see both.

The engine difference should cut a good 20lbs. A smaller gas tank would cut another 10lbs. Smaller, lighter exhaust, another 5-10lbs. Lighter frame, another maybe 5 lbs. A few more nips and tucks and you're at 50lbs less. Smaller alternator and ancillaries. To do more than that would take a fair amount of aluminum and cutting fairings and other major design areas.
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Old 12-18-2014, 09:56 PM   #10
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Yeah but will it be an ADV worthy bike Mr Ashman? Can you do jumps on it? What depth of water will it be able to go though? Will it be better than a Ducati Scrambler? Will you need a beard, rolled jeans and an open face helmet to ride it?
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:16 PM   #11
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You can jump it.....but we can't see you land....and you must wear an open faced helmet to jump. With goggles. And a hoodie.

More seriously, anyone who wants to imagine this at 375lbs dripping wet, with 8 or 9" of suspension and the ability to carry Samsonite luggage loaded with bricks, I'm all for it. As far as I'm concerned, with killer suspension and a 375lb weight, it can be $10K and will still sell.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:28 PM   #12
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No point for me to pick a 530 adv. Just a lightweight enduro plus my 800 xc or perhaps 1200 xc for my heavy duty and I'm happy.

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Old 12-18-2014, 10:32 PM   #13
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50lbs less?

What's the point?

And as long as we're talking fairytales, I'd rather have a unicorn.
Honda has made your dream come true. Behold the CB160 Unicorn

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Old 12-18-2014, 10:33 PM   #14
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and they should call it Tiger Cub.
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Old 12-19-2014, 06:48 AM   #15
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and they should call it Tiger Cub.
There was both a Tiger Cub and Tiger Trail. And the Trail was designed to take on the BMW 80 GS and the dry weight was only 375lbs for a 750.

I kind of like the idea of a 530 Tiger Trail for a small XC and Tiger Cub 530 for the roadie version. And a renewed Speed Twin version as an entry level sporting naked. Of course, I'd be just as happy if they didn't make it an ADV bike and made it a pure trail bike

But, it's just a fantasy.....for now.

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