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Old 12-31-2014, 04:34 PM   #1
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800 cc bikes vs 1000 cc bikes

Hello everyone I notice bikes like the FJ09 and the Ducati hyperstrata and street fighter all have 800cc something engines. How is the performance compared to bikes like the 1200 monster or Multistrada or BMW 1200 GS. A lot of people say the 800 cc bikes feel more powerful or perform better then the 1200 cc bikes
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Old 12-31-2014, 04:53 PM   #2
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I think there is no one right answer.
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Old 12-31-2014, 04:57 PM   #3
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I've owned bikes up & down the gamut, from 80cc to liter bikes. My personal sweet spot, for performance, milage, weight, the works, is 750cc. I wish there were more of them, but I guess 800 is close enough.
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Old 01-01-2015, 12:05 AM   #4
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A lot of people say the 800 cc bikes feel more powerful or perform better then the 1200 cc bikes
That wouldn't be the case at all if you were comparing a BMW F800ST to an S1000R or K1300S.
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Old 01-01-2015, 12:39 AM   #5
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You should get a test ride on them.
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Old 01-01-2015, 12:54 AM   #6
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They're all "fast enough" for me.
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Old 01-01-2015, 03:54 AM   #7
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I've owned bikes up & down the gamut, from 80cc to liter bikes. My personal sweet spot, for performance, milage, weight, the works, is 750cc. I wish there were more of them, but I guess 800 is close enough.
Agreed. There's a lot of sense in this being the sweet spot based on optimum power/weight/size.
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Old 01-01-2015, 06:17 AM   #8
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Yeah, they all do just fine compared to the big twins. You just lose the luxury of tractoring along in traffic or on a scenic highway in the mountains without changing gears. The GS1200 is great for lugging along and forgetting there's a lever on the left.
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Old 01-01-2015, 07:51 AM   #9
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My current bike has about 41 crank hp and I just finished riding Skyline Dr. In Va. Even the lowly Ninja 300cc, ridden in haste, is too friggin fast for the street. Yes, I had to use three different gears across the hundred plus miles of twisting mountain roads, but I coulda stayed in one the whole way if I hadn't been speeding just a (smidge), or wasn't trying to drive hard into corners and saving RPM where I was forced to use restraint. Third gear would covered it easily at anything under 50, and it has a 35 mph speed limit!

Too bad the rest of the bike is such low grade Craploa or I'd be in love with it. Choose the chassis you want, almost every modern engine today is overkill for street riding.
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Old 01-01-2015, 08:58 AM   #10
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A lot of people say the 800 cc bikes feel more powerful or perform better then the 1200 cc bikes
I've never heard anyone claim an 821 Monster felt more powerful than a 1200 Monster? Sounded better, but not more powerful.

FWIW, I sprung for a Monster 1200S over the 821 I initially went in to see mostly because of the suspension and brakes, not the engine.

The 1200 is stupid fast for the street. As already mentioned, an 800 is more than enough.
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Old 01-01-2015, 09:23 AM   #11
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I've ridden everthing from 50cc mopeds to 1,800cc dreadnots and I would have to agree, the 600-800cc class is perhaps the most flexible. Excess weight and bulk tends to isolate you from the riding experience, 'great for cross-country trips where the days are measured by number of states passesd, less so for back country roads. At the moment I have a 200, a 750, an 865, and a 1250 and generally feel the smallest bike suitable for the intended job is usually best. The exception to that tho would be size, smaller displacement often correlates to tighter ergo's. 'Not always tho, my smallest bike (Vespa GT) is also the most comfortable (bolt upright, lots of leg room) tho I wouldn't want to be passed by a tandem semi in Wyoming on one.
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Old 01-01-2015, 09:30 AM   #12
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Hello everyone I notice bikes like the FJ09 and the Ducati hyperstrata and street fighter all have 800cc something engines. How is the performance compared to bikes like the 1200 monster or Multistrada or BMW 1200 GS. A lot of people say the 800 cc bikes feel more powerful or perform better then the 1200 cc bikes
..just spitballing, but i'd say 800 performance is about 400 less than 1200 performance.
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Old 01-01-2015, 09:30 AM   #13
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1975 bought a 903 cc Z-1 Kawasaki. Considered the power more than adaquet.
1979 bought used 864cc Ducati 860 GT. Ditto.
1991 bought a near new 904cc Ducati 900 SS. Ditto
2007 bought a gently used 1981 920cc Yamaha XV 920.Felt it could have used a touch more power, but, loaded like a pack mule , I still got pulled 3 times for speeding on a cross country round trip. No tics though, all 3 LEOs cut me slack.
So,though I have bigger and smaller motors, most of my riding has been on 9/10 ths of a liter bikes, seems to work for me.
Some of these new bike with 130,140,150,160 ,170 hp and up motors, wtf ? Are there enough supermen around to sell them too , or are they built for mere mortals to have faster crashes on ?
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Old 01-01-2015, 09:31 AM   #14
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This is one of those threads where the OP asks some sort of of vague or contradictory question and then people go on debating for pages on end about this or that and the OP is never heard from again.
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Old 01-01-2015, 09:34 AM   #15
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It obviuosly depends on a number of factors. I've had bikes from 100-1850cc's, of all types and designs. I love them all and they're all different. Depending on your needs, desires, riding environment, riding intentions, riding practices, etc., you may find any of them excellent...or sucky. Navin (above) loves small bikes. I understand the draw and I love them too, but only for a niche bike. I mostly ride low rpm torque these days. I don't like to be screaming around because of what most of the public thinks of that and because I don't like to stress my gear these days. It also runs down gas mileage, as a rule. So, I like big-bore bikes, though I very rarely ride fast or hard these days. I like the unstressed feel, easy roll-on, deeper exhaust note, and the general feel of effortless power and motivation.

None of that is anything against anybody else. I've had many screaming bikes in the past and I still have a couple. It's just not my 'druthers anymore (w/very rare exception). You gotta' decide what, how, and where you want to ride. They're all fun. Ride to the bike's strengths. That's why I love riding different stuff, it's a very different experience.
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