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Old 05-10-2014, 09:49 PM   #15901
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Texanate your multi-quote skills exceed mine. I'll have to respond bit by bit.

Some people have no issue with the stock exhaust and live happily ever after with it. The majority of riders that don't replace the stock can seem to end up burning flesh and or expensive riding gear--typically pants and panniers the first season they ride. *Then* they replace the stock can. For a ball park of around $500 (not $1000) you can get a Wings exhaust http://www.wings.si/ver3/index.html?page=contact Which is a top shelf product. With the quiet insert in (which you should use anyways if you don't re-map) it should be very very close in sound output to stock.

My understanding of the prevailing wisdom is--if you just add a new slip on can--the stock map should work fine with out re-mapping. If you add a new can and open up the intake it gets too lean and requires a new map.
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:52 PM   #15902
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..."Being 21, I crave discomfort."...

I have good news. You will absolutely adore the seat, do not consider replacing it.
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Old 05-10-2014, 10:07 PM   #15903
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Tank bolts aren't "$100 plus" they are $82 USD shipped if you order from this guy http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=954935

There is debate whether the bolts still need to be upgraded. Discussions arise such as surely KTM addressed this by now, (oh yeah, well did the part numbers change? blah, blah )and if there are passenger pegs the bike was designed to take the weight of a passenger--should be good for a bit of luggage.

I can't honestly say I have heard of any stock bolt failures for quite some time now. I do know the replacement main fuel tank is dearly expensive.

If you are really putting a bunch of luggage on, the common wisdom is replace the bolts and add a luggage rack to take weight off of the tank. Especially if you are loading up the rear luggage rack with heavy stuff like water/fuel etc because of the leverage from the cantilevered geometry of it.

To help settle the debate and for the good of the collective 690 knowledge base--it would be advantageous to us if you don't replace the tank bolts, and do use the light panniers and little tail bag--then give us an update every 10,000 miles or so on how its holding up. Plus you would save $82. You would be money in--well at least for the time being. --and we would be the wiser for it.

2-3 years ago there was a guy on here that fabbed up a tilt up, fairly substantial tail luggage rack. If I recall correctly he included an upright member to hold 1-2 roto pax. He was going to run it with no pannier rack to beef up the back end. He then proceeded to solicit opinions on his creation. When several people expressed some concern about the potential longevity of his creation he basically responded like a dick and mouthed them off about how they were clearly idiots, could they not see or read the various thicknesses of the metals he used and how it was bolted, welded whatever etc. Funny thing is, I don't ever remember seeing that guy post again. I've always been left wondering did his rack work beautifully as intended or did he rip the ass off of his bike within a few weeks? Anyone remember that guy and have any inkling how things turned out?

Some years ago I remember several posters saying yeah I put 10-15 pounds of stuff on the rear luggage rack of a stock (un beefed up) 690 went for a moderate trail ride and ended up ripping things up. Haven't heard those sort of stories lately. So are people more aware of the issue and avoid doing it, do more people just run out and upgrade the tank bolts right away or did KTM make stuff a little stronger back there? I dunno.
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Old 05-10-2014, 10:33 PM   #15904
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..."Get a CACycleworks fuel pump."--" Are the fuel pumps still naughty in the '14s? Can anyone confirm?"...

The 2014s have only been out a few weeks--so too early to say specifically for 2014s--for anything--other than the rear brake bolt issue which KTM has already addressed.

Some people still have the original pump in their 2008s -->onwards model 690s. Thousands of miles no problems. For several years defective fuel pumps were a known problem (as has been pointed out numerous times here--on a worldwide forum with hundreds of regular posters--you mostly only hear when there is a problem--i.e my fuel pump failed--as opposed to rarely hearing about the many riders that never had a problem).

I don't recall hearing about any fuel pump problems in the most recent model years with the stock pump. You are 21 and planning to stay probably within the radius of where you could beg or bribe a buddy with a pick up to come rescue you--so I'd say skip the CA fuel pump.

If you were going to Mongolia overland, or a well heeled middle aged fat cat with loads of disposable income, and a penchant for bullet proofing your bike (which is a fun hobby in and of itself for some), when you might not even get shot at; I'd say yeah order one up and keep the original in your spares kit.
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Old 05-10-2014, 10:41 PM   #15905
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..."I'll likely put some foil insulation between them and the exhaust - maybe that will keep them from burning up."...

If you retain the stock exhaust, in your travel budget I would factor in the replacement cost of the panniers to keep your dad happy!
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:26 PM   #15906
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..."that was the other 2014 thread"...

Zis is not a 2014 thread, zis is KAOS!

"Get Smart", reference for you young 'uns
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The one and only all inclusive, all model year, all versions of KTM 690s information hub, interactive repair manual, farkle catalog, soap box, show room, lounge and luv in that is the Wunderfest. Hallowed be Crankshaft's name.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:36 PM   #15907
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Texanate your multi-quote skills exceed mine. I'll have to respond bit by bit. That works for me - but if you want, you can try that multi quote button directly to the right of the "quote" button, then once you've selected all the posts you want to quote, reply to the thread (button up at the top left). Quick and easy.

Some people have no issue with the stock exhaust and live happily ever after with it. The majority of riders that don't replace the stock can seem to end up burning flesh and or expensive riding gear--typically pants and panniers the first season they ride. *Then* they replace the stock can. For a ball park of around $500 (not $1000) you can get a Wings exhaust http://www.wings.si/ver3/index.html?page=contact Which is a top shelf product. With the quiet insert in (which you should use anyways if you don't re-map) it should be very very close in sound output to stock.

My understanding of the prevailing wisdom is--if you just add a new slip on can--the stock map should work fine with out re-mapping. If you add a new can and open up the intake it gets too lean and requires a new map.
Arghghgh I made the mistake of YouTubing the various exhaust options. Of course the Wings pipe sounds a lot nicer than stock - less clanky, more tone. But for $500 (or ~$300 for the FMF Q4), I'm gonna try the stock exhaust for as long as I can. I assume no one has found a cheap and effective heat shield for the stocker?

I have a pair of MX boots that I'll be replacing soon - let's see if they stand up to the heat. Maybe then I'll put up a WTB in the flea market. I'm sure it's the catalytic converter putting out all that heat, though I'm unable to find anyone who has removed the cat and retained the original exhaust. 690 owners are some dedicated (and/or wealthy) people!

finally, and this may get me insta-banned, but I actually like what catalytic converters do for motorcycle emissions.




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..."Being 21, I crave discomfort."...

I have good news. You will absolutely adore the seat, do not consider replacing it.
Yeah, the reason I bought the 690 is basically because the 990 looks too comfy. Ah, the joys of youth and fatassery.

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Tank bolts aren't "$100 plus" they are $82 USD shipped if you order from this guy http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=954935

There is debate whether the bolts still need to be upgraded. Discussions arise such as surely KTM addressed this by now, (oh yeah, well did the part numbers change? blah, blah )and if there are passenger pegs the bike was designed to take the weight of a passenger--should be good for a bit of luggage.

I can't honestly say I have heard of any stock bolt failures for quite some time now. I do know the replacement main fuel tank is dearly expensive.

If you are really putting a bunch of luggage on, the common wisdom is replace the bolts and add a luggage rack to take weight off of the tank. Especially if you are loading up the rear luggage rack with heavy stuff like water/fuel etc because of the leverage from the cantilevered geometry of it.

To help settle the debate and for the good of the collective 690 knowledge base--it would be advantageous to us if you don't replace the tank bolts, and do use the light panniers--then give us an update every 10,000 miles or so on how its holding up. Plus you would save $82. You would be money in--well at least for the time being. --and we would be the wiser for it.

For the good of the forum, I'll selflessly ride with the stockers for now. I will make their inspection part of my preride check and I will update you with any issues.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:42 PM   #15908
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..."I'll likely put some foil insulation between them and the exhaust - maybe that will keep them from burning up."...

If you retain the stock exhaust, in your travel budget I would factor in the replacement cost of the panniers to keep your dad happy!

For better and for worse (mostly for worse), I'm paying for this with my own money except the aux lights - my dad has offered to pay for the lights because he figures they'll make me safer and more visible on the road. Now I just gotta find some lights that can do double duty as a skidplate and aftermarket exhaust and I'll be golden.
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:57 AM   #15909
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The Vision-X Soltice 10W LED auxiliary lights (also packaged with wiring and a switch marketed under the name 'Denali' ) is excellent quality and produce very good light.
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Old 05-11-2014, 01:31 AM   #15910
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I am not an attorney. To the best of my knowledge, in the US that is not true, because it is related to this legislation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act

There was a lobby group of aftermarket businesses that helped enforce this or similar legislation or broadened it? I'm sketchy on the details.

Of all the bikes I'm aware of the KTM 690 probably has one of the highest rates of owners replacing the can (often being replaced before the bike rolls out the dealer's door, so there would be a great many new bikes not covered if what you were told about the Akro were true.

In Europe I understand it can be an issue.

If you include a country location in your profile it can help posters better answer certain questions you might have in the future.
Thank you, I am located in Mn, Usa. Have not quite made it to playing with my profile. Will update it in the next two days. All of my time has been dedicated to reading through this never ending thread

If others could help me with this I would be very grateful.

I have been receiving nothing but mixed responses to all my questions (not on here, stealerships). After purchasing my bike, I called the dealership I purchased from. I was inquiring about a pipe, I think they might have been smoking something out of theirs.. I called the sales gent that I purchased from asking two things
1. If a pipe would void my warranty
2. Could they remap the bike for me
He transferred me to parts, I asked the same thing. He transferred me to service, I asked the same thing, he transferred me to the sales man I had originally called.

I gave up with them and called another dealership. I spoke with a man that told me if I put anything other than an akra on, I would be voided. I asked about the tune, he told me that if I just switched the map under the seat I would be fine.

For shits and giggles, I called fmf to see if they were producing the Apex for the 2014. He said that it is on the back burner due to emissions regulations in CA. He then told me I could get away with putting an Apex for a 2013 on the 2014, I would merely have to make my own mounts because they are different... No biggie. But he also said this would void my warranty.

So here is what is boggling my mind..
1. Will a pipe void my warranty, if it isn't an akra? Aside from your response and Albie (thank you for your response), I am still pretty unsure of a definitive answer.

2. If I was able to mount up an FMF Apex slip on, on my 2014 enduro r would just changing the map to "sport" be sufficient? Would I need to do a header and/or an air filter aswell, for "sport" to work at it's best? Or if I just toss on the slip on will be fine? But an air filter/header either or both, is the point where I will need a tune? I am slightly worried about the warranty but my biggest concern is the wish wash of replies I have seen about peoples bikes stalling and others having zero issues.

3. For future reference, how do I go about doing multi quotes? (EDIT, I figured it out)
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Old 05-11-2014, 02:27 AM   #15911
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I am slightly worried about the warranty but my biggest concern is the wish wash of replies I have seen about peoples bikes stalling and others having zero issues.
I have yet to see on advrider anyone posting an issue with *2014* model year bikes having any stalling issues. Most of the reviews say the fueling is very much improved from previous years as it is stock. They have not yet cracked the ECU on the 2104 bikes to do custom maps other than what the dealer can put on there for you. Parroting what I've read in various threads here, if you just change the exhaust can--you should be fine with the stock map. I'm going to assume the sporty or performance map is a bit richer than standard [EDIT: Correction--I assumed wrong--the soft, standard and performance maps just affect throttle response not the fuel/air mixture]--which should be the best stock map to use, as at least in previous years the bikes were a bit on the lean side, and a less restrictive can tends to make the fueling a bit leaner.

Depending on your proximity to the dealership or how likely it is for someone at the dealer to spot you as you are riding your bike--once you get your first service check completed--a less than perfectly scrupulous person might consider the possibility of using whatever can they wished, until a return trip to the dealer was called for--when they could easily reattach the OEM can...
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Old 05-11-2014, 03:34 AM   #15912
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It didn't melt the turn signal on my 13, but I only had the stock can on for 300 miles, and then put the Wings on.
I melted my turn signal on my '08 in the first 20 miles.
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Old 05-11-2014, 04:32 AM   #15913
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The simple answer on the warranty is that if you make a modification to the bike and then have a problem. Then it can be declined if the dealer feels the modification directly contributed to the failure. Having said that dealers would go out of business pretty quickly if they sold aftermarket parts and then simply voided your warranty.
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Indeed. And especially if you pay the dealer to install a farkle you bought from them.

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The simple answer on the warranty is that if you make a modification to the bike and then have a problem. Then it can be declined if the dealer feels the modification directly contributed to the failure. Having said that dealers would go out of business pretty quickly if they sold aftermarket parts and then simply voided your warranty.
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Old 05-11-2014, 06:17 AM   #15915
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I have yet to see on advrider anyone posting an issue with *2014* model year bikes having any stalling issues. Most of the reviews say the fueling is very much improved from previous years as it is stock. They have not yet cracked the ECU on the 2104 bikes to do custom maps other than what the dealer can put on there for you. Parroting what I've read in various threads here, if you just change the exhaust can--you should be fine with the stock map. I'm going to assume the sporty or performance map is a bit richer than standard--which should be the best stock map to use, as at least in previous years the bikes were a bit on the lean side, and a less restrictive can tends to make the fueling a bit leaner.

Depending on your proximity to the dealership or how likely it is for someone at the dealer to spot you as you are riding your bike--once you get your first service check completed--a less than perfectly scrupulous person might consider the possibility of using whatever can they wished, until a return trip to the dealer was called for--when they could easily reattach the OEM can...
I am lucky and unlucky in this situation.. 236 miles to the nearest ktm dealership..

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The simple answer on the warranty is that if you make a modification to the bike and then have a problem. Then it can be declined if the dealer feels the modification directly contributed to the failure. Having said that dealers would go out of business pretty quickly if they sold aftermarket parts and then simply voided your warranty.
+1 but at the same time.. Check out my response below and lend your opinion please?

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Indeed. And especially if you pay the dealer to install a farkle you bought from them.

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But what if I was to not purchase from them/ have them install.. My nearest dealer is 236 miles away but I traveled 468 miles to get this bike from a different dealership. Sadly it was the nearest I could find without waiting an additional 6-8 weeks.
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