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Old 05-15-2012, 07:40 AM   #3301
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Dear KTMers :)

I been thinking about getting myself 690 as my trusty old machine started to get too expensive and bothersome after overall of 130 000 km of hard life. I just can't pull myself to do another rebuild after I messed up freshly rebuilt motor because of my own error.

I was hoping for some pointers...perhaps it was discussed before, but I wanted to get opinion from you after so many years/miles of your life with 690.

How realistic is to use 690 SM or other 690s as long distance tourer? Top speed is no problem, but it must do good under 140 kmph, do at least 200 km between fillups etc?
How bad is seat? Did anyone tried new "ergonomic" seat in 400-500 miles per day ride?
How realistic is 2-up if me and wife both quite small?
Is there aftermarket crashbars for SM or only for Enduro/SMC and if so - how good they are?

Would you trust your 690 to take off for 6000 km tour let say from one side of Europe to let say other side of Norway?

I particularly interested in 690 SM to be honest, but may be I am wrong and SMC/Enduro is better choice.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:43 AM   #3302
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Maybe it's time I finally step up and actually get a 690 after reading pretty much every post in both this and the old threads!!!
It's almost time, Lukas, as you are a fellow 690er in "spirit" since long ago...
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:46 AM   #3303
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Well according to the fiche I look at the stator and pulse coil are the same.
The Ign coil and flywheel have different numbers





Year: 2010 Model: 690 ENDURO R (EU)








175030002000IGNITION COVER 07£35.88
249030090000DOWEL 9,8 X 7 X£1.17
360039040020CABLE SUPPORT GENERATOR 03£1.54
407700240251O-RING 24X25 VITON£0.75
56003009400030SCREW PLUG M24X15 PA 6.6£1.48
675030040000IGNITI.COVER GASKET 07£2.60
775039004000STATOR£142.68
975039005000FLYWHEEL£197.89
100025050166HH COLLAR SCREW M5X16 TX30£0.20
1175039006000IGNITIONCOIL 07£26.40
1275039090000SPARK PLUG CONNECT.£8.69
1475039093000SPARK PLUG M12X125 LKAR8AI-9£10.65
150025060256HH COLLAR SCREW M6X25 TX30£0.70
160025060306HH COLLAR SCREW M6X30 TX30£0.75
1775039034000PULSER COIL£27.83
1859009062016SPECIAL SCREW M6X16 WS=8 10.9£0.58






Year: 2010 Model: 690 RALLY FACTORY REPLICA






175030002000IGNITION COVER 07£35.88
249030090000DOWEL 9,8 X 7 X£1.17
360039040020CABLE SUPPORT GENERATOR 03£1.54
407700240251O-RING 24X25 VITON£0.75
56003009400030SCREW PLUG M24X15 PA 6.6£1.48
675030040000IGNITI.COVER GASKET 07£2.60
775039004000STATOR£142.68
80025060306HH COLLAR SCREW M6X30 TX30£0.75
976239005000FLYWHEEL£197.89
100025050166HH COLLAR SCREW M5X16 TX30£0.20
1159039006000IGNITIONCOIL KOKUSAN 4K3-A/B£22.79
1275039090000SPARK PLUG CONNECT.£8.69
1475039093000SPARK PLUG M12X125 LKAR8AI-9£10.65
150025060256HH COLLAR SCREW M6X25 TX30£0.70
160025060306HH COLLAR SCREW M6X30 TX30£0.75
1775039034000PULSER COIL£27.83
1859009062016SPECIAL SCREW M6X16 WS=8 10.9£0.58





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Old 05-15-2012, 07:51 AM   #3304
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As long as you AA is just a cell phone call away, sure thing. But how many times has your 690 been outside of the US Albie?
As far as I have understand during these years here in ADVRider, US spec'd bikes appear to have much more trouble than the euro ones, perhaps due to all that dreaded emissions crap or a greatest ethanol percentage in the fuel.
Albie's bike could have behaved better outside the US...
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:56 AM   #3305
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dooooh! i should have looked under the battery tab. The part numbers for the pulser and stator are different for the rally rep but you say the enduro r will work with the cdi?

i am really tired of trying to make this bike work right... it seems every time i get one weakness fixed another pops up.

does anybody know if the workshop manual has voltage and resistance measurements that can help me trouble shoot the loss of 12 v at the coil? i dont mind paying for the book but want to be sure it has that kind of info first

thanks beany
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:55 AM   #3306
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Bluhduh lt-r450 fuelpump

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Have you been following this thread? http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=708813 Maybe save yourself some r&d on the pump install.
A note on the Suzi fuelpump... It has got poor suction, so the pump has to be placed VERY low in order to work allright, or get feeded by a vaccum pump. Haven´t got in to it really, got another issue to deal with first...
Think it´s a clogged injector. Getting new parts tomorrow.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:19 AM   #3307
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A note on the Suzi fuelpump... It has got poor suction, so the pump has to be placed VERY low in order to work allright, or get feeded by a vaccum pump. Haven´t got in to it really, got another issue to deal with first...
Think it´s a clogged injector. Getting new parts tomorrow.
Most of these in tank pumps have very poor suction hence their mounting in the bottom of the tank...and the challenge of locating a pump elsewhere on the bike that is low enough.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:28 AM   #3308
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A note on the Suzi fuelpump... It has got poor suction, so the pump has to be placed VERY low in order to work allright, or get feeded by a vaccum pump. Haven´t got in to it really, got another issue to deal with first...
Think it´s a clogged injector. Getting new parts tomorrow.
Have you back-flushed the injector? I keep a clean spare in the kit and swap them out every now and then. I'm always pulling the airbox off for some reason or another and do the swap then flush out the old injector and put it back in the kit.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:41 AM   #3309
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Dear KTMers :)

I been thinking about getting myself 690 as my trusty old machine started to get too expensive and bothersome after overall of 130 000 km of hard life. I just can't pull myself to do another rebuild after I messed up freshly rebuilt motor because of my own error.

I was hoping for some pointers...perhaps it was discussed before, but I wanted to get opinion from you after so many years/miles of your life with 690.

How realistic is to use 690 SM or other 690s as long distance tourer? Top speed is no problem, but it must do good under 140 kmph, do at least 200 km between fillups etc?
How bad is seat? Did anyone tried new "ergonomic" seat in 400-500 miles per day ride?
How realistic is 2-up if me and wife both quite small?
Is there aftermarket crashbars for SM or only for Enduro/SMC and if so - how good they are?

Would you trust your 690 to take off for 6000 km tour let say from one side of Europe to let say other side of Norway?

I particularly interested in 690 SM to be honest, but may be I am wrong and SMC/Enduro is better choice.
In answer to the questions, under 140, you should have no problem with 200km between fuel stops.
Seat is not great, but I've put 500km days on it. There are better fixes than the ergo seat (e.g. rayz.nl)
2 up - no problem as long as its just a blast around town.
No idea on SM
No problem heading off on a long tour. Been there, done that and heading off again t the beginning of July.

If you are looking at the SM, then maybe asking on www.supermotojunkie.com might be a better option.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:44 AM   #3310
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Maybe it's time I finally step up and actually get a 690 after reading pretty much every post in both this and the old threads!!!
You need a girlfriend!
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:55 AM   #3311
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You need a patient girlfriend!


The 690 thread has already outlasted 2 of them, thus the addition above.

It's mostly my work output that suffers though...
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:02 PM   #3312
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Have you back-flushed the injector? I keep a clean spare in the kit and swap them out every now and then. I'm always pulling the airbox off for some reason or another and do the swap then flush out the old injector and put it back in the kit.
How do you backflush it?
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:08 PM   #3313
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Maybe it's time I finally step up and actually get a 690 after reading pretty much every post in both this and the old threads!!!
I think if I read every post in this thread I'd be too scared to buy one!!
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:18 PM   #3314
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How do you backflush it?
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=736108
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBF7j...393C8C907D24C5

I use a 9v battery and carb cleaner.
Be really careful with the o-rings reinstalling the injector, they tear easily. I ordered a few with the new injector just for that reason.
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:51 PM   #3315
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In answer to the questions, under 140, you should have no problem with 200km between fuel stops.
Seat is not great, but I've put 500km days on it. There are better fixes than the ergo seat (e.g. rayz.nl)
2 up - no problem as long as its just a blast around town.
No idea on SM
No problem heading off on a long tour. Been there, done that and heading off again t the beginning of July.

If you are looking at the SM, then maybe asking on www.supermotojunkie.com might be a better option.
Thank you!

It looks like it is viable option after all ( I mean SMC-R or Enduro - they virtually same just different wheels).
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