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Old 05-24-2012, 01:17 PM   #3496
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I didn't know the coolant had dropped into my crankcase until 15-20m later. I wasn't riding hard as I noticed the temp was up. Once I stopped I saw why!

Should I worry about bearing damage? I don't expect the shop to really do any kind of thorough inspection unless there's a blatantly obvious symptom..

You are probably ok. I would drain the coolant and drain the oil. Start by changing out your thermostat and putting in new water pump seals. Put your fluids back in and run the bike. The oil is pretty tuff stuff even if it were diluted with coolant it still lubricates to some degree. If you had ridden 100 miles with it in there it would not be good. If it runs, rides, and cools fine after replacing the seals you are probably ok. If the bearings are bad its a full tear down...so start with the easy stuff.
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:19 PM   #3497
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I have the meca riser and a HDB top clamp. This setup has worked well for me and is a clean design. The meca riser was pricey but I didn't have much time to wait when I got it and it has worked well:

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Old 05-24-2012, 02:57 PM   #3498
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:51 PM   #3499
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FMF Q4 Ti Fitment

Hello all
Installing my FMF Q4 tonight on my '12 690R and I've run into a fitment issue.
FMF supplies a 'mid pipe' to fit inbetween the stock head pipe and the Q4 slip-on.
The slip-on is too long apparently on installation as my pic shows. There is a little wiggle room with the muffler but not enough for bolts to line up when fastening the muffler.
Now the real problem. Flipped either way the 'mid pipe' does not fit in the muffler nor does it fit on (around) the muffler. It is the same diameter!
WTF!!??

Are '12 exhausts different from other years? Or more probably the wrong muffler sent out? Does FMF mis-ship?
FMF or KTM Twins does not show any different slip-on #'s for different model years, although FMF only shows to model year '11 for fitment.
I wanted the older style muffler, not the Apex (which looks streetbike gay jmho).
This muffler one the box says for '08-'10... Hmmm
Ah jeez
Anyone else have an issue here?
TIA
BTW I bought through my local dealer, which I have to haul this crap back to.

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Old 05-24-2012, 09:10 PM   #3500
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Hello all
Installing my FMF Q4 tonight on my '12 690R and I've run into a fitment issue.
FMF supplies a 'mid pipe' to fit inbetween the stock head pipe and the Q4 slip-on.
The slip-on is too long apparently on installation as my pic shows. There is a little wiggle room with the muffler but not enough for bolts to line up when fastening the muffler.
Now the real problem. Flipped either way the 'mid pipe' does not fit in the muffler nor does it fit on (around) the muffler. It is the same diameter!
WTF!!??

Are '12 exhausts different from other years? Or more probably the wrong muffler sent out? Does FMF mis-ship?
FMF or KTM Twins does not show any different slip-on #'s for different model years, although FMF only shows to model year '11 for fitment.
I wanted the older style muffler, not the Apex (which looks streetbike gay jmho).
This muffler one the box says for '08-'10... Hmmm
Ah jeez
Anyone else have an issue here?
TIA
BTW I bought through my local dealer, which I have to haul this crap back to.
i have a 2012. no fitment issues.
dont install the shiny ring on the midpipe. i see in your pic that you have it on the right.
use gasket sealer and be sure the band clamp is flush with the pipe before tightening.
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:01 PM   #3501
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i have a 2012. no fitment issues.
dont install the shiny ring on the midpipe. i see in your pic that you have it on the right.
use gasket sealer and be sure the band clamp is flush with the pipe before tightening.
Okay!
I didn't think the shiny ring came off or at least by hand. I didn't want to mar up the mid pipe if it really doesn't fit.
So the FMF clamp at the front of the mid pipe? The muffler has the spring fittings so I don't see any clamping area.
Hmmm, ok I'm not getting the unclear instructions I guess.
I'll work on pulling it, thank you.

Got a picture all mounted up? I see how it should go together - its just not fitting.

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Old 05-25-2012, 06:14 AM   #3502
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You are probably ok. I would drain the coolant and drain the oil. Start by changing out your thermostat and putting in new water pump seals. Put your fluids back in and run the bike. The oil is pretty tuff stuff even if it were diluted with coolant it still lubricates to some degree. If you had ridden 100 miles with it in there it would not be good. If it runs, rides, and cools fine after replacing the seals you are probably ok. If the bearings are bad its a full tear down...so start with the easy stuff.
My bike has been at the dealer for a ~week with the coolant/oil still sitting in the crankcase. They won't get around to looking at it until next week. I can't imagine that coolant is doing those engine bearings any good :(
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:22 AM   #3503
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So I finally broke down and bought my first Scott's steering stabilzer (used, from a friend) and am exploring my options for mounting it to my 690. Has anybody here ever used the ProRace Designs http://www.proracedesigns.com/product-submount.html mount? Is there any reason that it wouldn't fit the 690?
Don't think it will fit, the 690 has different offset triples (22-24mm) than the EXC and SX bikes (20mm). This would misalign the damper arm axis from the steering stem axis too much to work.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:30 AM   #3504
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My bike has been at the dealer for a ~week with the coolant/oil still sitting in the crankcase. They won't get around to looking at it until next week. I can't imagine that coolant is doing those engine bearings any good :(
It is mixed in with the oil so its not straight up coolant. Based on the level of the slurry inside the engine it may not be sitting directly at bearing level. Do you work on your own bike at all....or is it in warantee?
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:39 AM   #3505
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It is mixed in with the oil so its not straight up coolant. Based on the level of the slurry inside the engine it may not be sitting directly at bearing level. Do you work on your own bike at all....or is it in warantee?
?
I've always done my own work from top-down rebuilds. This bike is ~3mos old so warranty service should be taking care of it. I just don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that this dealer gives a shit.

I'm half tempted to go get my bike, drain/flush and bring it back to them when they can look into it further.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:59 AM   #3506
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Okay!
I didn't think the shiny ring came off or at least by hand. I didn't want to mar up the mid pipe if it really doesn't fit.
So the FMF clamp at the front of the mid pipe? The muffler has the spring fittings so I don't see any clamping area.
Hmmm, ok I'm not getting the unclear instructions I guess.
I'll work on pulling it, thank you.

Got a picture all mounted up? I see how it should go together - its just not fitting.
There is a stainless Steele ring inside the FMF header that needs to be slid out. If you don't slide that out it will not slip onto the bike...

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Old 05-25-2012, 07:03 AM   #3507
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Hello all
Installing my FMF Q4 tonight on my '12 690R and I've run into a fitment issue.
FMF supplies a 'mid pipe' to fit inbetween the stock head pipe and the Q4 slip-on.
The slip-on is too long apparently on installation as my pic shows. There is a little wiggle room with the muffler but not enough for bolts to line up when fastening the muffler.
Now the real problem. Flipped either way the 'mid pipe' does not fit in the muffler nor does it fit on (around) the muffler. It is the same diameter!
WTF!!??

Are '12 exhausts different from other years? Or more probably the wrong muffler sent out? Does FMF mis-ship?
FMF or KTM Twins does not show any different slip-on #'s for different model years, although FMF only shows to model year '11 for fitment.
I wanted the older style muffler, not the Apex (which looks streetbike gay jmho).
This muffler one the box says for '08-'10... Hmmm
Ah jeez
Anyone else have an issue here?
TIA
BTW I bought through my local dealer, which I have to haul this crap back to.

I don't know if the 2012 is different in that respect from previous years, but I don't remember any springs or mid pipe on the Q4 when I installed it a couple of months ago...
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:31 AM   #3508
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My bike has been at the dealer for a ~week with the coolant/oil still sitting in the crankcase. They won't get around to looking at it until next week. I can't imagine that coolant is doing those engine bearings any good :(
Obviously not an ideal environment but there are corrosion inhibitors in coolant.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:58 AM   #3509
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I've always done my own work from top-down rebuilds. This bike is ~3mos old so warranty service should be taking care of it. I just don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that this dealer gives a shit.

I'm half tempted to go get my bike, drain/flush and bring it back to them when they can look into it further.

Most KTM dealers started life as dirtbike shops. When the big bike line up came along I think a lot of those shops were forced to take on some percentage of big bikes. The result is that there are a lot of shops that have little or no experience with servicing the bigger bikes. The 690 falls into the bigger bike category and throws many techs for a loop if they have never worked on EFI.

Your problem sounds like waterpump seal failure....your shop may be expecting a failed engine and putting it off...who knows.
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:10 AM   #3510
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I don't know if the 2012 is different in that respect from previous years, but I don't remember any springs or mid pipe on the Q4 when I installed it a couple of months ago...
Mine has the springs on the mid pipe that keeps the Q4 tightly attached to the mid pipe.

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