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Old 07-26-2012, 12:21 PM   #4681
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Hey Guys,

Nate here from Bullet Proof Designs. Several of you guys contacted me about ordering a swingarm guard for your 690. I told you we were trying to get a bike in the shop so we could determine if we can build the guard for the 690. My local shop just confrimed I can pick up the 690 Enduro on Wednesday. Once we get some measurments I will let you guys know if we can start taking orders.

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Thanks Nate- .
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:20 PM   #4682
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Hey Guys,

Nate here from Bullet Proof Designs. Several of you guys contacted me about ordering a swingarm guard for your 690. I told you we were trying to get a bike in the shop so we could determine if we can build the guard for the 690. My local shop just confrimed I can pick up the 690 Enduro on Wednesday. Once we get some measurments I will let you guys know if we can start taking orders.

Thanks,

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Thanks for the Heads Up. I hope I can speak for all of us here and say, "Thank You," for both your interest in making these and the quick work in finding a bike to work with.

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Old 07-26-2012, 02:08 PM   #4683
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Does anyone here have good sources for finding 690 parts? Specifically I would like to find a complete engine assembly for an 08 enduro. According to my dealer, there are none in stock in the US, and it does not sound like we can order one and wait.

Suposedly there is a 690 smc engine, but they don't know if it will function with enduro software yet. I'm waiting to hear back.

I would be curious to find perhaps a salvage auction type of situation where I might find a wrecked 690 with the engine (or at least most of it) in tact.

I do have another iron in the fire, but want to explore all available options at this point.

I'm hoping to get lucky, but with the way things are going lately, that is a laughable proposition.

TIA for any help.
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Old 07-26-2012, 03:44 PM   #4684
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Hey Guys,

Nate here from Bullet Proof Designs. Several of you guys contacted me about ordering a swingarm guard for your 690. I told you we were trying to get a bike in the shop so we could determine if we can build the guard for the 690. My local shop just confrimed I can pick up the 690 Enduro on Wednesday. Once we get some measurments I will let you guys know if we can start taking orders.

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Thanks Nate-- i will be ordering if you can make em.
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:37 AM   #4685
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Does anyone here have good sources for finding 690 parts? Specifically I would like to find a complete engine assembly for an 08 enduro. According to my dealer, there are none in stock in the US, and it does not sound like we can order one and wait.

Suposedly there is a 690 smc engine, but they don't know if it will function with enduro software yet. I'm waiting to hear back.

I would be curious to find perhaps a salvage auction type of situation where I might find a wrecked 690 with the engine (or at least most of it) in tact.

I do have another iron in the fire, but want to explore all available options at this point.

I'm hoping to get lucky, but with the way things are going lately, that is a laughable proposition.

TIA for any help.
SMC = enduro except wheels and suspension. You can also think about a 690 rally engine with a 690 enduro top end.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:10 AM   #4686
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It would certainly be hard to deny that milage could have played a role. However, there are people with many more miles on thier 690's that have not reported any similar failures. (Sherri Jo, the guys who went RTW on thier 690's, FishFund?).
Actually I think you were far away the highest mileage "male" rider out there! Fishfund? Really?? Did you read his report - that wasn't the best PR for the 690! To my knowledge, Sherrie Joe was indeed the last man (woman) standing!

I do know a guy here in Malaysia with just over 44K KM on a 2007 SMR; he's a small guy that rides pretty gingerly though.
I'm on my 2nd bike, 4th engine (total) but mostly ride a KLX351 now - I'd still be riding the 690 if it was anywhere close to the KLX reliability wise. And if that was the case I would have 72,000 miles on my 690 at this point. If my luck was consistant, that would be 10 engines and 30 fuel pumps at that point though!!

Here's my thoughts on posting posts like this:
An article I read on the batteries for the freeride electric seemed to convey at best, KTM wasn't even trying to make their bikes very reliable and it even seemed to allude they wouldn't want them to go too long for the sake of not hurting new bike sales.

I recently purchased a samsung rugged phone that claimed IPX8 water ingression ratings and US military specs for drops and dust. For the first week I had it I loved that phone! There was something cool about knowing my phone could handle a 10' drop to concrete and that I could possibly swim in it. Others laughed at it - showing how much sleeker and smaller their phones were. I proudly defended my phone as it was tougher than theirs and I wear XXXL gloves anyways so don't care about smaller and sleeker. Others with the same phone also derived a sense of pleasure from knowing what it was capable of.
But then.... a week later I got the phone wet and it broke! Analyzing it later, it got a tiny bit of water inside and because it was mostly sealed, that tiny bit of water (that wouldn't have harmed a cheap Nokia) couldn't get out. I no longer derived a sense of pleasure from my phone and "knowing what it could do." The age of innocence was over and I knew it was just marketing BS for a big clunky phone.

Now I'm faced with a choice - if I tell the truth, it robs other owners of that sense of pleasure (albeit false!). Most probably will never get it wet so there may be no point to pop the bubble.
However the potential upside of telling the truth is that Samsung will realize their claims are being checked up on and they may actually produce a product that is reliable.

To have a bike like the 690 that was actually reliable and dependaple IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE (ie in the middle of nowhere you can't just forgive a bike that wont start because it happened in the city, you towed it to a dealer and 2 weaks later the dealer and a $50K diagnostic machine realize it was an incredibly simple problem all along and even picked up the tab) would be awesome!
I'm convinced KTM could build it but they have to want to, and that comes from customers realizing how awesome a bike like that would be (and how far from that it is right now) and valuing reliability along with performance.

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Old 07-27-2012, 03:18 AM   #4687
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Hey Guys,

Nate here from Bullet Proof Designs. Several of you guys contacted me about ordering a swingarm guard for your 690. I told you we were trying to get a bike in the shop so we could determine if we can build the guard for the 690. My local shop just confrimed I can pick up the 690 Enduro on Wednesday. Once we get some measurments I will let you guys know if we can start taking orders.

Thanks,

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Good news Nate! Post some pics when you are done!
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:26 AM   #4688
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Hi - bought a 2008 690 E from an out of state dealer; during check ride/pickup bike stalled out after 2/3 blocks:

- starts normally
- revs normally
- stalls at 60-90 seconds; blipping throttle will not stop stalling once it starts
- turn off, back on and it starts fine, only to stall again after the 60-90 seconds

Bike has FMF installed, K&N air filter, handlebar mounted 3 position mapping switch, position 2

Dealer is working hard to get the bike fixed:
- checked tank integrity and fixed a small hole by integrated mounting nuts
- replaced fuel filter
- replaced battery
- cleaned dirty fuel injector

After these, bike ran well for 6 miles of a test ride then stalled and is repeating 60-90 second pattern

Ideas to be checked next:
- re-verify tank is venting properly
- verify all fuel hoses are EFI rated
- check EFI regulator
- EFI Reset procedure
- TPS Reset procedure
- check maps for EFI CPU and ept throttle body CPU
- check earth connection to frame
- check electrical connections around the throttle body and coil connections for dust fouling

Above are what I can find as causes for 690s running poorly or stalling; anything we have missed? Any ideas would be appreciated -

Thanks in advance!
Paul
I had this problem. Turned out to be the TPS voltages were out of spec.

How many times does the EFI light blink when it happens?
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:14 AM   #4689
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To have a bike like the 690 that was actually reliable and dependaple IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE (ie in the middle of nowhere you can't just forgive a bike that wont start because it happened in the city, you towed it to a dealer and 2 weaks later the dealer and a $50K diagnostic machine realize it was an incredibly simple problem all along and even picked up the tab) would be awesome!
I'm convinced KTM could build it but they have to want to, and that comes from customers realizing how awesome a bike like that would be (and how far from that it is right now) and valuing reliability along with performance.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:58 AM   #4690
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FI blink codes

Quick question:

Are the FI blink codes for the '08 the same as '10? I want to make a print out of the codes to put under my seat but I cant find a PDF of a 2010 enduro R manual. I did find a manual for an '08 and i am curious if they were the same. I would love to look at my paper manual but it is somewhere in storage far far away. Thanks guys.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:22 AM   #4691
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Actually I think you were far away the highest mileage "male" rider out there! Fishfund? Really?? Did you read his report - that wasn't the best PR for the 690!
Ricky,

While I most definitely am not discounting your troubles with the 690, there hasn't been anyone since you who has had issues like you had. At least they haven't come on here and told us about it......

Regarding Fishfunds bike. He ended up having a faulty Rectifier/Regulator. Those have been creating issues for almost each and every manufacturer of motorcycles out there. I don't see that as a fault of KTM anymore after discovering how far and wide ranging the issue has been. (Remember, my R/R failed too causing me to walk for a ways. )
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:29 AM   #4692
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Quick question:

Are the FI blink codes for the '08 the same as '10? I want to make a print out of the codes to put under my seat but I cant find a PDF of a 2010 enduro R manual. I did find a manual for an '08 and i am curious if they were the same. I would love to look at my paper manual but it is somewhere in storage far far away. Thanks guys.
Don't know the answer to your question however, I haven't read of the codes being different between the years.

With all the Rally Raid stuff you have, they didn't send you a laminated copy of the codes? A couple of years ago, when I got my risers from them they included a laminated code sheet. It is now glued to the underside of my seat.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:47 AM   #4693
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To have a bike like the 690 that was actually reliable and dependaple IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE (ie in the middle of nowhere you can't just forgive a bike that wont start because it happened in the city, you towed it to a dealer and 2 weaks later the dealer and a $50K diagnostic machine realize it was an incredibly simple problem all along and even picked up the tab) would be awesome!
I'm convinced KTM could build it but they have to want to, and that comes from customers realizing how awesome a bike like that would be (and how far from that it is right now) and valuing reliability along with performance.
Double bingo.
My bike is dead, RIGHT NOW.
In the city (ok the country). With a KTM dealer booked out over a week. With a ride planned tomorrow.
I have checked (pulled & re installed) all fuses, checked & charged battery, [looked] at my ground - looks and is tight/solid.
Turn my key and nothing.
I even checked to make sure my kill switch isn't on. Ya lol.

Good grief.

As bobzilla says a suspension tuned Honda or Suzuki may well be the way to go.

Did I mention the flame outs and falling over on technical single track?
After being mapped and 02 sniffed/tuned? Did I?

Jesus, its fuel fucking ignition for christs sakes - its not supposed to do that.

My 690 Enduro is the most undependable/glitchy bike I have ever owned from new in over 30 bikes owned.

Sorry I had to get that out.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:59 AM   #4694
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Ricky,

Regarding Fishfunds bike. He ended up having a faulty Rectifier/Regulator. Those have been creating issues for almost each and every manufacturer of motorcycles out there. I don't see that as a fault of KTM anymore after discovering how far and wide ranging the issue has been. (Remember, my R/R failed too causing me to walk for a ways. )
That was exactly my point earlier Uller! This bike is fine for the guy whose never far from the grid, has got lots of bikes, does the occasional weekend ride or enters a race where they have KTM support vans just waiting.
What it seems you failed to catch from Fish's report was how many thousands of dollars his breakdowns cost; how often it left him stranded; how much worse it would have been with out the BMW to tow; how many hookups with friends they missed because of the 690.

He went to dealers and experts in multiple countries on 3 continents and NO ONE could figure it out.

Over 1/2 a million read his ride report, he appealed to the group for ideas and no one could figure it out. No breakthru answers from the wise here though of course all the head scratching does eventually pay off .

At the same time I was talking to KTM NA and KTM Austria about Luke's bike and they were scratching their heads. John at rally raid was amazingly helpful but no one could find the issue.

So in retrospect, all it was was the rectifier... Are you sure?? Every breakdown of mine if a dealer or KTM Austria "figured out the problem" what ever it was, that's all it was, all the time! They always now knew what the problem was. It's always so simple in retrospect. Rest assured that after its fixed and when it breaks again that when it gets fixed - sometimes 6 months later, whatever it was would have been simple and not KTM's fault.
FWIW's I realize BK's problem is not KTM's fault. I too had a bearing let go and grenade the engine and KTM assured me that they contract out for those bearings and so its not one of their parts that failed.
And every North Korean rocket that doesn't make it into outerspace ALSO has a perfectly good reason why it didn't make it... and in that instance most of us are glad for their level of commitment to excellence!

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Old 07-27-2012, 11:03 AM   #4695
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thats why I think Ill build a xr 600 with good legs. I typically ride where its a two day walk to the truck and you dont see too many other humans[/QUOTE from Bobzilla]

Ricky, good points about the bike's problems. I am lucky so far as the bike has not left me 1,000 km's from Timbuktu. I did or had done every known fix up front so that I can hopefully have a dependable 690 but I do not ride outback and as hard as you, Bob, and others do. Albie would say my bike is lightly used. Probably right. Bob you are right about the known dependability of most Jap bikes. If Honda, Suzuki, or Kawasaki would make a thoroughly new and lightweight big bore-dual sport I would sell my 690 and maybe even buy the first year of their new model(s).

I have come to this conclusion after an overwhelming amount of evidence presented here on the 690's problems. I never said I was smart! It is now very hard for me to defend the bike's reliability even though mine is still running just fine. Somewhere Albie is screaming, "I told you so"!

Now drinking fruit punch koolaid (read Orange, mixed with Green, mixed with Red, mixed with Yellow).
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