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Old 08-06-2012, 03:42 PM   #4891
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The 690 left me sit for the first time tonight. It has ~6900 miles. When turning the key on and off the pump wouldn't prime. Call my roommate and he picked me and the bike up. Before taking it off his truck, I turned the key heard the pump primed and it fired right up.

It was only run low on fuel once but never empty. I'm probably going to try to pull the pump and see if there is anything build up on the filter. Should I replace the pump right away or am I good after it potentially cooled off a bit? I've seen other posts on here from those who have done it but how much of a PITA is it?
Sounds like something contagious going around - see my latest post: http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=815011
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:44 PM   #4892
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Not knowing what your mechanical abilities are, I can say that getting at the pump/filter was relatively easy though it required quite a bit of tuff to remove to get easy access. Body plastic, airbox assembly, rear mudflap, swing tank up and tie it up in place and then the pump is easy as pie to get at.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:52 PM   #4893
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Not knowing what your mechanical abilities are, I can say that getting at the pump/filter was relatively easy though it required quite a bit of tuff to remove to get easy access. Body plastic, airbox assembly, rear mudflap, swing tank up and tie it up in place and then the pump is easy as pie to get at.
Thanks, Our problems sound similar. Your description of getting to the pump doesn't sound all that bad. I've been doing most of my own wrenching for a while so I can get it done. I'll probably give it a ride up the road and around the area to see if it happens again and go from there. If the problem persists. I'll have to go in.

Good luck with getting your issue resolved.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:19 PM   #4894
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The 690 left me sit for the first time tonight. It has ~6900 miles. When turning the key on and off the pump wouldn't prime. Call my roommate and he picked me and the bike up. Before taking it off his truck, I turned the key heard the pump primed and it fired right up.

It was only run low on fuel once but never empty. I'm probably going to try to pull the pump and see if there is anything build up on the filter. Should I replace the pump right away or am I good after it potentially cooled off a bit? I've seen other posts on here from those who have done it but how much of a PITA is it?
Here's my thread on FI issues. My bike has gone the last 4K or so miles (about 12K miles total on the bike) with the condition you describe. It has never left me stranded. Just wait a small amount of time and eventually the fuel pump will prime again. I carry the aftermarket fuel pump and necessary other bits and pieces to install a new pump just in case. I've recently decided to change the pump out and get another as a backup.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:40 PM   #4895
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Why does everyone start throwing parts (like replacing fuel pumps) as soon as they have any problem. Whatever happened to doing diagnostics, like checking fuel pressure, ohmning the primary coils, source coils... reading fault codes, checking kick stand switches... etc... to determine what the problem actually is, before buying parts??? Seems like anytime someone's 690 has a hiccup they put a new fuel pump in it.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:03 PM   #4896
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Why does everyone start throwing parts (like replacing fuel pumps) as soon as they have any problem. Whatever happened to doing diagnostics, like checking fuel pressure, ohmning the primary coils, source coils... reading fault codes, checking kick stand switches... etc... to determine what the problem actually is, before buying parts??? Seems like anytime someone's 690 has a hiccup they put a new fuel pump in it.
I would think part of the answer to your question relates to the lack of a fuel pump priming noise once you turn on the kill switch.

I think the other part is that "parts replacement" seems to have become the SOP for all issues related to machines any more.

If it is broke and you take it to the dealer, they think it is "this", and then replace the part. The procedure continues until the machine (car, bike, boat, tractor, lawnmower, etc.) works again......

I think we have found out that this doesn't work too well on the 690 as multiple things can cause very similar issues.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:09 PM   #4897
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fuel pump can be changed on the trail only removing the crap flap and pump housing in under 45 minutes

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Old 08-06-2012, 05:30 PM   #4898
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Where to get an Air Box Temperature Sensor Connector

Once again (third time!) the wires on the connector have broken.



While I've added shrink wrap and cable ties to be sure the stress on the wire leading into the connector is minimum, I continue to break the wire regularly. It appears to be from vibration fatigue. I really could use a new connector to repair this again. Anyone know of a good source (other than a visit to the 100 mile away KTM dealer)?
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:40 PM   #4899
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I have had good experience with this company for Bosch fuel injection plugs.. not sure if they have that one or not... Here is a link.

http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/index.php/cPath/109


If you look on the left there is a list of various plugs/connectors.












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Old 08-06-2012, 06:09 PM   #4900
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Once again (third time!) the wires on the connector have broken.



While I've added shrink wrap and cable ties to be sure the stress on the wire leading into the connector is minimum, I continue to break the wire regularly. It appears to be from vibration fatigue. I really could use a new connector to repair this again. Anyone know of a good source (other than a visit to the 100 mile away KTM dealer)?
I spliced in wire to lengthen the cable so it stopped the stress at the plug. After having it break or the sensor screw up 5 times in the first 15K miles haven't had an issue in 11K miles since I did the splice job.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:20 PM   #4901
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I spliced in wire to lengthen the cable so it stopped the stress at the plug. After having it break or the sensor screw up 5 times in the first 15K miles haven't had an issue in 11K miles since I did the splice job.
Good stuff! The wire on my bike has plenty of slack so is under no "pulling" stress. It hangs straight down from the sensor then over to a cable tie at the frame.

Did you splice in the wire for extra length or as a larger gauge wire to resist a break?

Mine keeps breaking right at the connector, which is making it very difficult to reuse it.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:43 PM   #4902
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Why does everyone start throwing parts (like replacing fuel pumps) as soon as they have any problem. Whatever happened to doing diagnostics, like checking fuel pressure, ohmning the primary coils, source coils... reading fault codes, checking kick stand switches... etc... to determine what the problem actually is, before buying parts??? Seems like anytime someone's 690 has a hiccup they put a new fuel pump in it.
I definitely understand you point. If my pump was priming consistently it would point to something else. When I turn the key on, I heard the pump click but it didn't prime. If I'm in a situation where I can check voltages to the pump it would be a good troubleshooting measure. If those readings are consistent then it merits pointing to the pump. If not, the hunt begins. Hopefully next time I can be prepared to check everything rather than on my way home from work unprepared.

Now that I've had my first issue it is prudent to be more prepared for an issue. Actually, I should have been prepared from the get go but water under the bridge.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:23 PM   #4903
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Regarding the fuel pump not priming....

My post wasn't directed solely at you, but at years of posts where the fuel pump is always to blame... I remember when electronic ign. first came out on motorcycles years ago... everyone was replacing CDI boxes whenever there was a problem...




Being prepared... That is why I carry an extra fuel pump with me on long trips.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:42 PM   #4904
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Good stuff! The wire on my bike has plenty of slack so is under no "pulling" stress. It hangs straight down from the sensor then over to a cable tie at the frame.

Did you splice in the wire for extra length or as a larger gauge wire to resist a break?

Mine keeps breaking right at the connector, which is making it very difficult to reuse it.
Longer length, mine had no slack in it and you could see it was always under tension.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:45 PM   #4905
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I have just over 5000 kms on my 2010 690 SMC. The only performance mod was a Wings silencer and an Akra remap which was at around 1500 kms. Everything was working perfectly until I rolled 5k. It's only been ridden on the street with an occasional gravel/dirt road. While I may think I ride it hard sometimes I am most likely not pushing this bike anywhere near it's potential. I've been deployed every summer since I purchased it so it's been in storage more than on the road.

My 690's fuel pump was failing intermittently and then stopped working all together. When replaced, the new pump fired up and the bike started. During the initialization cycle the bike died after only two minutes of idling. It will no longer start. There is a clicking noise from under the air box somewhere. The fuel pump still hums every time now where as the old one would not turn on at all so that is no longer the issue. It seems to have come up with a new problem now.

I've been skimming through this thread to find similar issues. Am I correct in assuming that the next thing to check would be the Regulator/Rectifier? Or is there something more simple that I could check next?
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