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Old 08-26-2012, 09:34 PM   #5221
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Get a SeatComfort seat. Just got one for my 690. Liked it better than the Renazco that was on it. I know I'll hear from the Renazco lovers, and truth be told, they ARE a good seat, but they are VERY pricey and I cannot say that the Renazco is more comfortable. I got a non slip cover for it and a local seat shop shop covered it for 35.00.
This is my 3rd seat from SeatComfort and they were all great seats and good value.

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is that seat comfort or seat concepts the later are GREAT
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Old 08-27-2012, 02:12 AM   #5222
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I got 16 km/l yesterday over a 350 off-road loop using Vortex's economy map. I was the only bike that had severe range issues.
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37 mpg's with the fuel economy map? What are you getting on the power maps?
With Vortex the power maps are not really required as everything runs pretty strong. After testing I settled for the econ map with the 10% softer initial throttle as a do everything map. I run within a bike length from a F800GS up to the 4th gear change before he leaves me. That's good enough for a single in my mind.
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:03 AM   #5223
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Do you ever sit down, or just stand up all the time? If you ever sit down, you better sell that 690 before disaster strikes.

I understand your point, but don't live in that level of fear. Note that I have the rally raid side racks that provide direct support to the rear foot peg supports, although at some angle.

I'll be hot testing the system above, with Wolfman bags, for a week on the CAM 1000 (see in upcoming - http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=736274) where I'll be riding over 1000 miles of Colorado dirt in a week. I'll let you know how it holds up.
You usually sit down where frame and gas tank are "joined" (and not at the "end" of the seat) .
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:55 AM   #5224
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is that seat comfort or seat concepts the later are GREAT
Dont know what I was thinking. Yes, its the SeatConcepts seat.

Thanks for pointing that out. I'm going to edit my posts.

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Old 08-27-2012, 06:55 AM   #5225
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the 690 is FI not carbed so has the added complication of a fuel pump & computer mapping. they don't apear to like dirty fuel much either and the standard seat is woeful for anything remotely long distance. A lot of people new to FI bikes do struggle when something goes wrong as the technology can be frustrating to deal with especially out in the whop whops. Having said all that I have an 09 and have had little trouble with it apart from chains breakng which is my bad maintenance in anycase.

I have owned a DR as well (2nd hand) and can tell you the seats on those things are plain evil after 1-2 hrs. The tech on them is more familier to most people being that they are 30yrs old

The 690 needs oil changes every 5000 klm (the oil is not cheap for them either!) and valves checked every 10K but not much else. The DR will run on any old rubbish and has longer service intervals (can't recall what they are...10 yrs or something like that )

If you have it serviced by someone who knows what they are doing and dont try and outsmart the techs who designed the mapping, don't put the worst grade mongolian vinagar in it for fuel the 690 is a reliable bike.

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Nice one B2..... that about sums up the seat comfort question....it's ok as long as you don't sit on it
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yeah - if you only do rides that you sit down on buy a tiger 800 xc
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Nice one B2..... that about sums up the seat comfort question....it's ok as long as you don't sit on it
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yeah - if you only do rides that you sit down on buy a tiger 800 xc
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Get a SeatComfort seat. Just got one for my 690. Liked it better than the Renazco that was on it. I know I'll hear from the Renazco lovers, and truth be told, they ARE a good seat, but they are VERY pricey and I cannot say that the Renazco is more comfortable. I got a non slip cover for it and a local seat shop shop covered it for 35.00.
This is my 3rd seat from SeatComfort and they were all great seats and good value.

Garrett
As usual you guys have come up with some top quality info, thanks heaps! I'll be doing 6 weeks around the US with my old man who is an upholsterer and he's already in my ear about choice of bike.. I am mainly concerned with the seat and ergos of this bike for long distance.

I'll be then riding down to Peru on this orange beast...Do you think the bike can do it? I plan to dress her in adventure clothing i.e. proper seat, screen/fairings, perhaps a larger tank and appropriate luggage system. I seem to encounter two schools of thought regarding the 690 as a long-distance adventurer, one is that its an amazing bike the other is that is a glorified dirt squirter!

I will be hitting up as much off road as possible, but I need to be realistic and consider the long, consecutive days of tarmac I'll be facing. Do you think I should just be looking at a Tiger800 as one poster suggested?

I know these are some newbie questions but I really appreciate each individuals input!
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:38 AM   #5226
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is that seat comfort or seat concepts the later are GREAT

Look at pictures here: http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....7&postcount=10

It gives an idea of damages due do stappling. Imagine re-stappling. Better glue the Seat Concept instead.

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Old 08-27-2012, 08:31 AM   #5227
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As usual you guys have come up with some top quality info, thanks heaps! I'll be doing 6 weeks around the US with my old man who is an upholsterer and he's already in my ear about choice of bike.. I am mainly concerned with the seat and ergos of this bike for long distance.

I'll be then riding down to Peru on this orange beast...Do you think the bike can do it? I plan to dress her in adventure clothing i.e. proper seat, screen/fairings, perhaps a larger tank and appropriate luggage system. I seem to encounter two schools of thought regarding the 690 as a long-distance adventurer, one is that its an amazing bike the other is that is a glorified dirt squirter!

I will be hitting up as much off road as possible, but I need to be realistic and consider the long, consecutive days of tarmac I'll be facing. Do you think I should just be looking at a Tiger800 as one poster suggested?

I know these are some newbie questions but I really appreciate each individuals input!
I have found that it is much easier to ride a dirt bike down the hiway than it is to ride a street bike down a sandwash or up stair steps
it there is dirt involved I choose the dirt bike every time and l have let sit or sold my BMW's and Cagiva
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:56 AM   #5228
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Look at pictures here: http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....7&postcount=10

It gives an idea of damges due do stappling. Imagine re-stappling. Better glue the Seat Concept instead.

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I was wondering about the seat pan myself as I thought it was rather flimsy. I'm going to inspect mine. Please keep us informed regarding your upgraded pan.

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Old 08-27-2012, 10:39 AM   #5229
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Do you think I should just be looking at a Tiger800 as one poster suggested?
Do not get close to a Tiger 800 even with a 20 foot stick. If you think the 690 has problems, you aint seen nothing yet with the Tiger ... Can of worms.

You are better off with the GS800. (If you carry rear wheel bearings that is). More dealers as well.

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Old 08-27-2012, 01:13 PM   #5230
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Do not get close to a Tiger 800 even with a 20 foot stick. If you think the 690 has problems, you aint seen nothing yet with the Tiger ... Can of worms.

You are better off with the GS800. (If you carry rear wheel bearings that is). More dealers as well.

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I agree the 800xc is a piece of shite i was joking when i stated buy one I sold my 4month old one { lost a fortune } to buy the 690 -so glad i did
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:27 PM   #5231
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My TPS gremlins continue....
Not sure if anyone else has had this issue or could point me in a direction for further diagnostics.
Issue: While riding, any gear, any speed, or bike stationary at idle, I randomly get an FI solid on light and the engine tone changes. Going to Neutral provides a 9 x long flash indicating a TPS issue.
Well, I first check all TPS related voltages via TuneECU and all were within spec. I checked all wiring for chaffing, short to frame etc and nothing. I then replaced the TPS with a new one and reset the voltages. Unfortunately same error/issue persists.
I decided to check the TPS voltages directly to see if I could find an abnormality. I used pins to back probe the TPS connector to a logging DVM. What I found was interesting. The working voltage was a steady 4.98V which is great. The sense line voltage was at 0.58V while idling normally, which is what should be expected. When the FI issue occurs the sense voltage jumps to 0.71V and stays there. The working voltage does not change. If I cycle the key or kill switch all goes back to normal.
From what I can gather is that somehow the stepper motor must be getting a signal to move the butterfly a set amount, independant of throttle position, at random times which seems the only way the sense voltage on the TPS would change a set amount and stay static.(some randon butterfly to throttle position offset) The wiring diagram does not have any info on the 8 position stepper plug pin-out for me to analyze. Are there any sensors that control this stepper (left side throttle body) or is it driven through the ECU only. I would prefer not to buy a new throttle body to see if the issue goes away or not.

Any thoughts....this just started happening about 250 miles ago. Have not done any mods/mapping for about 8k miles. Running a version of the Beaney map FWIW.
How did you measure the TPS voltage with the DVM? Sense line against chassis or sense line against bottom pin of the TPS? Because a bad grounding of the TPS may also cause a voltage jump as you observed. The 690 suffers sometimes from poor ground contacts.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:29 PM   #5232
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I'll be then riding down to Peru on this orange beast...Do you think the bike can do it?
It wouldn't be my first choice. I'd be on a 950/990 adv/SE, or an 800 GS.

If you're riding that far, you'll inevitably be eating up lots of pavement and the 690 isn't the tool for that, imo.
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:06 PM   #5233
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It wouldn't be my first choice. I'd be on a 950/990 adv/SE, or an 800 GS.

If you're riding that far, you'll inevitably be eating up lots of pavement and the 690 isn't the tool for that, imo.
This spring I went from San Diego to Prudhoe Bay to Minnesota. Lots of pavement and some gravel. Probably 80/20? There is no bike I would rather have been on. But that was only 15k miles. So I might need more time to figure out that the 690 isn't a good traveling bike.
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:27 PM   #5234
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How did you measure the TPS voltage with the DVM? Sense line against chassis or sense line against bottom pin of the TPS? Because a bad grounding of the TPS may also cause a voltage jump as you observed. The 690 suffers sometimes from poor ground contacts.
I measured both ways. First between the connector sense pin and frame ground and then between the connector sense pin and connector ground pin. The voltage jump was the same. I did see with a poor frame ground the voltage would drop on the DVM and not rise.

Here is a trace of the voltage jump.. 0.58V to 0.73V.


I will look tonight and check/adjust the right hand side THAD (emergency running position) and APAD (throttle grip sensor) voltages to see if I get an improvement.
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:37 PM   #5235
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I'll be then riding down to Peru on this orange beast...Do you think the bike can do it? I plan to dress her in adventure clothing i.e. proper seat, screen/fairings, perhaps a larger tank and appropriate luggage system.
IMHO

If/when/as, I 'm looking to SA and beyond expect both my 690 and f8gs will stay in the barn. Of course it's been done by some and maybe many with success.

A recent add, R80gspd seems like the right bike for that trip to me. A lot of reasons, this thread and it's daddy for two. Pay to play for a bunch more and then there's field fixes.

Twin smoothness, good low end, out paces on slab when need be. Not so many doo-dads. Lacking suspension. Less (ok, much less!) right hand jam. As always, depends on what you want from the ride.

Warning - this may be young love with talented cougar.
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