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Old 08-27-2012, 03:06 PM   #5251
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It wouldn't be my first choice. I'd be on a 950/990 adv/SE, or an 800 GS.

If you're riding that far, you'll inevitably be eating up lots of pavement and the 690 isn't the tool for that, imo.
This spring I went from San Diego to Prudhoe Bay to Minnesota. Lots of pavement and some gravel. Probably 80/20? There is no bike I would rather have been on. But that was only 15k miles. So I might need more time to figure out that the 690 isn't a good traveling bike.
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:27 PM   #5252
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How did you measure the TPS voltage with the DVM? Sense line against chassis or sense line against bottom pin of the TPS? Because a bad grounding of the TPS may also cause a voltage jump as you observed. The 690 suffers sometimes from poor ground contacts.
I measured both ways. First between the connector sense pin and frame ground and then between the connector sense pin and connector ground pin. The voltage jump was the same. I did see with a poor frame ground the voltage would drop on the DVM and not rise.

Here is a trace of the voltage jump.. 0.58V to 0.73V.


I will look tonight and check/adjust the right hand side THAD (emergency running position) and APAD (throttle grip sensor) voltages to see if I get an improvement.
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:37 PM   #5253
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I'll be then riding down to Peru on this orange beast...Do you think the bike can do it? I plan to dress her in adventure clothing i.e. proper seat, screen/fairings, perhaps a larger tank and appropriate luggage system.
IMHO

If/when/as, I 'm looking to SA and beyond expect both my 690 and f8gs will stay in the barn. Of course it's been done by some and maybe many with success.

A recent add, R80gspd seems like the right bike for that trip to me. A lot of reasons, this thread and it's daddy for two. Pay to play for a bunch more and then there's field fixes.

Twin smoothness, good low end, out paces on slab when need be. Not so many doo-dads. Lacking suspension. Less (ok, much less!) right hand jam. As always, depends on what you want from the ride.

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Old 08-27-2012, 05:24 PM   #5254
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This spring I went from San Diego to Prudhoe Bay to Minnesota. Lots of pavement and some gravel. Probably 80/20? There is no bike I would rather have been on. But that was only 15k miles. So I might need more time to figure out that the 690 isn't a good traveling bike.
15K mile 80% pavement and 20% gravel ride, and you wouldn't have preferred a 990/950 adv or SE ? Seriously ?
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Old 08-27-2012, 05:37 PM   #5255
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15K mile 80% pavement and 20% gravel ride, and you wouldn't have preferred a 990/950 adv or SE ? Seriously ?
No offense Noah..... He's probably not tall enough for an SE. I'm 6-3 and I tippy toe the damn thing, how would that work? Just because you wouldn't tour with it doesn't mean he or anyone else wouldn't. I rode my 640 ADV all over Alaska and the 690 would have been a lot more fun, trust me.
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:05 PM   #5256
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Just because you wouldn't tour with it doesn't mean he or anyone else wouldn't.
Absolutely. Ride whatever does it for you.

It surprises me that anyone would choose a 690 over a 950/990 adv or SE for a 15K mile 80% pavement 20% gravel ride, but there may be circumstances i'm not aware of. I hear you on the fact that the SE is tall and that would dissuade some.
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:11 PM   #5257
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I will be hitting up as much off road as possible, but I need to be realistic and consider the long, consecutive days of tarmac I'll be facing. Do you think I should just be looking at a Tiger800 as one poster suggested?

I know these are some newbie questions but I really appreciate each individuals input!
I have done some long days in the saddle on the 690 and it has been fine on the road and superb on the off road. As you know the 690 is sold as an enduro so needs some mods to become a decent adventurer...which it can become!!. I would rate the 690 as the best bike I've owned for shorter excursions 1-2 weeks but for longer durations I'd be going for a 950/90 BUT I can't afford 2 bikes so would happily stick with the 690.
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:27 PM   #5258
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I measured both ways. First between the connector sense pin and frame ground and then between the connector sense pin and connector ground pin. The voltage jump was the same. I did see with a poor frame ground the voltage would drop on the DVM and not rise.

Here is a trace of the voltage jump.. 0.58V to 0.73V.


I will look tonight and check/adjust the right hand side THAD (emergency running position) and APAD (throttle grip sensor) voltages to see if I get an improvement.
So all three voltages checked out in spec. What I did notice is that the ignition timing also jumps when this error occurs. Normal idle timing is at 7.0 degrees BTDC and this changes to -10.0 degrees BTDC when the error occurs. Normal throttle movement increases the degrees BTDC and not sure what can cause it to move in a negative direction. Here is a screen shot from TuneECU before and after fault.


Next move is to check the signal from the Crank Position Sensor and assocoated wiring.
Any further thoughts...
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:43 PM   #5259
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No offense Noah..... He's probably not tall enough for an SE. I'm 6-3 and I tippy toe the damn thing, how would that work? Just because you wouldn't tour with it doesn't mean he or anyone else wouldn't. I rode my 640 ADV all over Alaska and the 690 would have been a lot more fun, trust me.
if i was doing that trip it would be the 690 or a home built XR650/600 frankinbike

As much trouble as i have had in my 12k i still think this is one of the best bikes i have had and i have had more than a few
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:10 PM   #5260
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if i was doing that trip it would be the 690 or a home built XR650/600 frankinbike

As much trouble as i have had in my 12k i still think this is one of the best bikes i have had and i have had more than a few
Damn ... I must be a big pussy cause I'd be all over that 1150 GS of yours, Bob.
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:44 PM   #5261
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if i was doing that trip it would be the 690 or a home built XR650/600 frankinbike

As much trouble as i have had in my 12k i still think this is one of the best bikes I have had and i have had more than a few
Trust me, on the Dempster highway, it was one long ass dirt track and we blasted up it 100 MPH, all the way to the Arctic circle! It made all the pavement droning well worth it
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:12 PM   #5262
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Trust me, on the Dempster highway, it was one long ass dirt track and we blasted up it 100 MPH, all the way to the Arctic circle! It made all the pavement droning well worth it
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:37 AM   #5263
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No offense Noah..... He's probably not tall enough for an SE. I'm 6-3 and I tippy toe the damn thing, how would that work? Just because you wouldn't tour with it doesn't mean he or anyone else wouldn't. I rode my 640 ADV all over Alaska and the 690 would have been a lot more fun, trust me.
No offence taken. I am short. I lowered my 690. But the SE eats to much fuel and it doesn't get you much in return (in my opinion). Lets put it this way... if there was a KTM LC4 450 I would probably be on it. Sip sip sip on the fuel. Travel light with the necessities... and the flyrod.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:39 AM   #5264
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Trust me, on the Dempster highway, it was one long ass dirt track and we blasted up it 100 MPH, all the way to the Arctic circle! It made all the pavement droning well worth it
Yes. When it rained 5 days on me on the Campbell highway and I was forging through 8" of sloppy mud in some places, I was glad I was on a 690. The Dalton Highway I was on the pegs at about 80 mph the whole way.. by myself with no worries about the bike.
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:22 AM   #5265
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I have found that it is much easier to ride a dirt bike down the hiway than it is to ride a street bike down a sandwash or up stair steps
it there is dirt involved I choose the dirt bike every time and l have let sit or sold my BMW's and Cagiva
I agree with your logic Bob and ponder it often as I hear people say bike X is a 80/20 steet dirt bike.

If you've got a mix of boring slab, back country roads, MX type track, washboards, interstate and the jungle riding I do wich seriously makes me think of attaching circular saw blades to the axles that 20% "dirt" should do 95% of the dominating what bike you chose.
Even the long way round series hi-lighted that. When Ewan and Charlie were off in Siberia they had tons of days they only did 2, 15, 10 km in 12 hours of riding. Most of it looked like stuff that would be easy to put 300KM a day on if you were on a 690 or lighter. Despite the 690 being less comfortable on the slab than a GS1200 it certainly wouldn't take long in the dirt (far less than 20% dirt) to make up the distance you lost on the autobahn portion...
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